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So, after seeing them on one dealer's availability list for a year now, I decided to take the plunge and set up a tank especially for pseudomugil cyanodorsalis. Due to a dealer mix-up I won't have my fish for another few days yet, but I thought I'd get the thread started.

First, a few photos of the fish taken from other websites. It's an uncommon enough species that most people don't know what it looks like, so...

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Nice, huh? :D

Pseudomugil cyanodorsalis are euryhaline and tolerate a wide range of ecological conditions. Although more commonly found in marine and brackish water environments they also inhabit freshwater, especially during the wet season. However, habitat preference appears to be mangrove-lined muddy creeks that may be highly saline. During the wet season their habitat turns essentially freshwater. During the dry season, their habitat often becomes hyper-saline, reaching a SG of up to 1.040.

The dealer I'm getting mine from keeps his at 1.007, so that's what I'm mimicing to start off with. Most other reports I've read from folks who've kept them say they've done so with SGs in the range of 1.010-1.017, so I may gradually increase the salinity levels of the tank.

The Tank:
20 gallon AGA tank
Eclipse 2 hood
15 lbs of aragonite sand (enough for a ½”- ¾” deep substrate)
Assorted driftwood and truly hideous plastic plants (temporary, I hope)
SG of 1.007

I’ve seen photos of some specific habitats the species has been collected from, and it’s nothing but mangrove roots and white sand. So that’s what the tank is designed around.

(That said, the current ‘aquascaping’ is kind of cobbled together. I’ve used some branchy, bark-y Indonesian wood and some artificial hairgrass for the moment, but both are hopefully temporary. OSI makes some great, huge artificial tree roots that sort of mimic the branching growth of mangrove roots, which are what I want to get my hands on… unfortunately, the only four dealers I could find who sell them are all out of stock at the moment. I’m going to try to gradually acclimate a few species of salt-tolerant freshwater plants (vals, java fern, java moss, water sprite) to the tank’s salinity levels in a spare tank I have laying around. May not work, though – 1.007 may be beyond what these plants can handle, salt wise.)

Depending on which, if any, of the live plants can be successfully acclimated to 1.007 SG will kind of determine what planting options I have. Java moss would be tied to small pebbles scattered around, java fern would be attached to the wood work. Vals would probably end up where the fake plants are now. Watersprite, though… if the water sprite is successful, I may get a bit creative. Hopefully in a month or so I’ll know, and have at least one species I can work with.

I should have the fish by the end of the week and will put up some photos of my tank once I do. In the meantime, here's another piece of eye candy pulled from the web....
 

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Aiiiieee! The dreaded "multiple-tank syndrome!"

Really cute fish- have you ever seen them in person?
 
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Nice!

That a territorial display in the last photo? - How many are you getting??
 
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GratefulDiver":eveg3p53 said:
Nice!

That a territorial display in the last photo? - How many are you getting??

Males flare at each other in some complicated displays, a trait common to all the pseudomogil species and several other rainbows (like threadfins, for example). The displays are completely harmless, though - no nipping or anything of the sort.

I'm starting with 18 halfgrown jeuveniles... I'm expecting when I receive them for them to be under 1/2" TL. Max size is around an inch.
 
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Flabello Meandroid":myfxc71n said:
Really cute fish- have you ever seen them in person?

Nope. This is actually the first time I've even seen them offered in the mainland United States (lot of folks in hawaii who've been keeping them for many years, though). Since the ones I'm getting are only half grown, they won't have colored up all that much yet. And the females of course are much, much plainer.
 
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Looks like someone is inching his way back to saltwater...
 
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browncj7":2r2wzme6 said:
Looks like someone is inching his way back to saltwater...

Not even remotely :D

Although I do have to admit, brackish is new territory for me. Never done one of these before. My biggest issue with it right now is dealing with the fact that (in general) it's too salty for freshwater plants, and not salty enough for macro-algaes.
 
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FINALLY got the fish. I'll try to get some shots up over the next day or so, but for now honestly I'm just relieved to finally be done with the vendor I bought them from.

Karma Farm Aquatics has some great, impossible-to-get fish for sale - but they're a total pill to deal with. They missed three different shipping dates they had told me the fish would be going out, and each time ignored my emails when I asked why I hadn't received them for several days before responding. They refused to offer delivery via either UPS or Fedex overnight, meaning I got stuck with USPS Priority Mail. When they did finally ship it took three days for the package to get to me; thankfully there was only loss. And they charged $50 to ship a box they only paid $20.65 in postage for.

The fish are small. I was told to expect half grown juveniles with about half being large enough to be sexable. Instead I got fry. The largest are maybe a third of an inch, the smallest aren't even as large as a grain of rice. Aside from the one loss they seem to have come through 72 hours of shipping in good shape, though, and settled into the tank very quickly. The few that are large enough to be showing some adult coloration are stunning. And FAST. These guys practically teleport around the tank.

In the meantime with all the problems I had with Karma Farm, I found another guy who's breeding them. Zack of the Digital Fishroom was kind enough to sell me another eight of'em - two sexable pairs, and four unsexed juveniles. With any luck he'll get those out to me sometime next week. If anyone else gets the urge to give these fish a shot, I strongly recommend trying to get them from him rather than from Karma Farm.
 
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I would absolutely never deal with her again. She'll tell you one thing and do another. She's alienated her self several times on the Killitalk email list.

There's just simply better places and people to deal with. It's a small fish world and she burns bridges once she crossed them.
 
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Awesome! So where is a good forum to learn more about these fish? I think they would go really well in a marine file snake tank we are planning.
 
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Matt_":ux3ezupl said:
Awesome! So where is a good forum to learn more about these fish? I think they would go really well in a marine file snake tank we are planning.

The file snakes would love'em; I'm pretty sure they've been found in their stomach assays :D

Do you know Adrian Tappin, Matt? He's the best source of info on these guys that I've found. He posts regularly on most of the rainbowfish specific boards out there; http://www.rainbowfish.info/forum is probably the more advanced of the bunch.

My initial experiences with these fish suggests they're pretty much indestructible.
 
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cjdevito":2as6vd3n said:
Matt_":2as6vd3n said:
Awesome! So where is a good forum to learn more about these fish? I think they would go really well in a marine file snake tank we are planning.

The file snakes would love'em; I'm pretty sure they've been found in their stomach assays :D

Do you know Adrian Tappin, Matt? He's the best source of info on these guys that I've found. He posts regularly on most of the rainbowfish specific boards out there; http://www.rainbowfish.info/forum is probably the more advanced of the bunch.

My initial experiences with these fish suggests they're pretty much indestructible.

No kidding? I thought they targeted gobies and benthic species. Well that might be a bad idea then. :lol:
 
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A. granulatus does; when I was looking for habitat information on these fish I noticed that. Not sure about the other file snakes, though. If it helps any, I turned up a quick reference that says rainbows were found in the guts of about half those assayed, but no mention of which species....

Shine, R. 1991. Australian Snakes, a Natural History. Ithaca, New York: Cornell University Press.
 
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Hey somebody at work has these! Super cute!

Cj, any updates?
 

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