"Salifert All in one"

[waipahu50]

Has anyone heard of this product by salifert.... It claims to be an all in one product that does the job that a regular 2 part calcium and buffer does....It also says its concentrated it last quite a long while...
has anyone used this product and had success..and do recommend it to replace the much more expensive 2 part calciums......as a different and cheaper approach.....

 

[Anonymous]

I have not come across the claim that it is an all-in-one product... someone said it, or you have a link to such statement?

"All In One" is a trademark. Never confuse trademark, title, sale pitch, advertisement, "testimony", etc. with genuine description. All I can find is that it is like Salifert's Coral Grower but with organic calcium source instead. There is no mentioning of how it buffers the water, or how it affect the alkinity, and not explicitly stated that it is replacement for two part calcium and buffer. Again, I would be interested to see where you hear the claims...

 

[waipahu50]

here's a link about salifert all in one....

It's by customaquatics....they seem to describe preetty well....

http://www.customaquatic.com/customaqua ... d=AD-SL075

or go to www.salifert.com and enter the site and go to the supplements tab and the site lists all of its supplemnets and the descriptions of each as well as the dosing rates etc...

thankyou dupaboy

 

[Anonymous]

>...Active ingredients: calcium acetate, strontium, trace elements, amino acids.

>...Occasionally an additional boost of alkalinity with

The fact that they did not stress any alk. related component and the second "recommandation" should give doubt to the claim "all in one."

At more than $10 a pop with 35ppt calcium in 250 ml, it is not very economical either. I guess I was not convinced by the salesman this time.

 

[Habib (Salifert)]

dupaboy:

It is the acetate which increases the alkalinity. The acetate is rapidly broken down by bacteria and converted to bicarbonate.

It is a balanced additive.

 

[Anonymous]

So that's what it takes to get you to talk?

(You can leave your company's name inside the parenthesis, since everyone knows you)

At any rate, welcome to RDO, Habib.

 

[Anonymous]

>...It is the acetate which increases the alkalinity. The acetate is rapidly broken down by bacteria and converted to bicarbonate.

One question... is it true that any acetates will be converted to bicarb. and increase the alk. without any "side effect," (ORP, etc.)?

 

[Habib (Salifert)]

So that's what it takes to get you to talk?

(You can leave your company's name inside the parenthesis, since everyone knows you)

At any rate, welcome to RDO, Habib.

I'm a member of this board since a couple of years but forgot the password and the e-mail address is no longer in use and could only e-mail an admin if I was registered as a member so had to sign up again.

 

[Habib (Salifert)]

>...It is the acetate which increases the alkalinity. The acetate is rapidly broken down by bacteria and converted to bicarbonate.

One question... is it true that any acetates will be converted to bicarb. and increase the alk. without any "side effect," (ORP, etc.)?

I would not that far to say any acetates. The useful ones like calcium acetate is dissociated and will be converted to bicarbonate.

There are side effects if the dosage is far too high but the same is true if e.g. kalkwasser (calcium hydroxide) is used.

FWIW the concentration was raised quite a while ago and corresponds now to approx. 55,000 ppm calcium.

 

[liquid]

Habib:

I can reset your old 'Salifert' acct if you want me to. It shows that you registered in 22 Apr 2002 and had 25 posts to date.

Shane

 

[Habib (Salifert)]

Hi Shane:

Whatever is convenient for you.

If you make any changes and have to send me information please use the e-mail address I used for this latest profile.

Otherwise I'll have to sign up one more time. :lol:

TIA

 

[waipahu50]

BEsides that........Habib do you know if this all in product would be a great product to use for a mainly soft coral tank without any sort of hard coral, lps, sps, or clams.....Will using this product will be like adding those ballanced 2 part calcium and buffers...

Ohhh..is it safe to add this product because isnt kind of dangerous to add bothe calcium and alkalinity at the same time .....Isnt this why there are 2 part calcium and buffer products because you can't add both at the same time but, one at a time......

thankyou for the replies.....

 

[Habib (Salifert)]

waipahu50:

Randy Holmes-Farley discusses the All-in-One and other products in http://www.advancedaquarist.com/issues/feb2003/chem.htm

That should answer several of your questions. Let me know if there are questions not answered in the above mentioned article.

 

[Spikehs]

Salifert,

Would this be safe to dose in topoff water? How much should be added for a reef if evap is ~ 5gal/week? Obviously this would be somewhat of an estimate, but any ballparks? thanks!

Sean

 

[Habib (Salifert)]

Salifert,

Would this be safe to dose in topoff water? How much should be added for a reef if evap is ~ 5gal/week? Obviously this would be somewhat of an estimate, but any ballparks? thanks!

Sean

It does not influence the pH, atleast not noticeable, and the solubilty is excellent (it is alreday dissolved) so dosage is not related to evaporation.

It can be added to the topoff water or the dosage all at once.

I can tell you more about the max. recommended dosage but need to check it in my office tomorrow.

 

[Spikehs]

Thanks for the reply... I know dosage isn't related to evap, I just wanted add it like kalk (I am just worried about PH spikes)

Salifert,

Would this be safe to dose in topoff water? How much should be added for a reef if evap is ~ 5gal/week? Obviously this would be somewhat of an estimate, but any ballparks? thanks!

Sean

It does not influence the pH, atleast not noticeable, and the solubilty is excellent (it is alreday dissolved) so dosage is not related to evaporation.

It can be added to the topoff water or the dosage all at once.

I can tell you more about the max. recommended dosage but need to check it in my office tomorrow.

 

[waipahu50]

Habib or does anyone know if this all in one product by salifert would be a great product to use for a mainly soft coral tank without any sort of hard coral, lps, sps, or clams.....And if it is fairly economical and useful for its size and price......(not a waste of time and money...)Not to affend other companies and their products......


Here's a description of the product from salifert's website.....

About All in One
All in One can make the use of the so-called A and B calcium and alkalinity supplements unnecessary.
It contains almost everything required for growth by corals and the beautiful encrusting pink and red coralline algae. All in One will increase the alkalinity (carbonate hardness), calcium, strontium, trace elements (except iodine) and amino acids concentrations.
We explain the necessity of these below.
Calcium, strontium, carbonate (alkalinity) and amino acids are the major constituents of calcareous algae, skeletal material of hard corals and the skeletal needles of soft/leather corals.
Growth and multiplication of these organisms means depletion of those substances.
The trace elements included in All in One allow organisms to carry out many biological processes.
Manganese for instance is essential for the many biochemical reactions, which make photosynthesis possible.
Iron is essential to many organisms for absorbing nutrients.
Cobalt is essential for the formation of several coral pigments.
Zinc is, like manganese essential for photosynthesis and is also used in the formation of calcium carbonate by corals.
These are just a few of the trace elements present in All in One and we could give many more examples.
This Supplement is highly concentrated and contains for example approx. 55,000 ppm calcium, corresponding amounts of biologically-activated bicarbonate and approx. 1000 ppm strontium.
The calcium is acetate based and is converted within minutes to calcium bicarbonate. This unlike gluconate-based products.
All ingredients are of a pharmaceutical quality or even better. This ensures that no unwanted elements are added to your valuable aquarium.
Some other requirements
Occasionally an additional boost of alkalinity with our KH+pH buffer is recommended to compensate for alkalinity lost by, e.g., decaying food. Also, iodine should be supplemented for excellent results.


Directions:
Shake before use.
Regular maintenance:
Dose 5 ml per 100 liters (25 gallons) once a week. If fast growth of corals and coralline algae depletes calcium and alkalinity very fast then you can dose 5 ml per 100 liters (25 gallons) per 2 days.

Keep out of reach of children. In case of contact with eyes rinse with plenty of water. Only for aquarium-hobby use. Not for human consumption (directly or indirectly)!


Active ingredients: calcium acetate, strontium, trace elements, amino acids.