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Flushing Effect: A commonly reported problem when first installing standpipes is what I call a flushing effect. The water level in the chamber bounces up and down at a slow steady cyclic pattern. This is different than the issue above where the water level stays to low. This issues typically is not caused by the size of the air-hole in the end cap. The flushing effect is almost always caused by back pressure in the drain line. Typically the back pressure has two main causes:

Drain pipes in the sump being submerged below the water surface too far.

Ideally you just want the drain pipes submerged about an inch or two. Just enough to reduce the splashing noise in the sump.



Any loops or dips in the drain lines if using flexible tubing.

If using hard PVC pipe for the drain lines make sure they always have a slope to them, don't make them perfectly horizontal or perfectly vertical.

The flushing effect works like this: Back pressure in the standpipe prevents air in the pipe from exiting the drain line. Instead of exiting the drain line, the air bubbles try to rise in the pipe slowing the rate at which the pipes drain. The water level in the chamber then rises. The increase in the chamber water level adds pressure to help clear the air from the pipe. Once enough water pressure exists in the chamber to overcome the back pressure, the air is literally is "burped" out of the drain line which crates a sudden rush of water. This is displayed as a rapid drop in the overflow chamber water level. This cycle then repeats itself over and over as the back pressure builds and gets purged.


OK, the first one was easy enough. But implementing the second is rather more of a challenge. This is driving me nuts. Either the pipe is vertical, or at a 45 bend, which restricts drainage, and thus presumably contributes to the problem. I've tried putting in a series of bends with 45 and 90 elbows, and at best this delays the onset by a few minutes.

Grrr.

I'd be really grateful for suggestions...
 
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Go flexible? I use one inch vinyl tubing, which is pretty cheap, just a few dime per feet.
 

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you fix this by drilling a progressively larger hole in the TOP cap of the pipe. I thought I already told ya that haha.. maybe it was someone else.

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I've done that. The above quote is from Durso's page. He says this is a different problem with a different fix. In any case, I'll play around more later this week. I haven't forgotten the refugium BTW.
 
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Subcomandante Marcos":2ok95qs3 said:
Flushing Effect: A commonly reported problem when first installing standpipes is what I call a flushing effect. The water level in the chamber bounces up and down at a slow steady cyclic pattern. This is different than the issue above where the water level stays to low. This issues typically is not caused by the size of the air-hole in the end cap. The flushing effect is almost always caused by back pressure in the drain line. Typically the back pressure has two main causes:

Drain pipes in the sump being submerged below the water surface too far.

Ideally you just want the drain pipes submerged about an inch or two. Just enough to reduce the splashing noise in the sump.



Any loops or dips in the drain lines if using flexible tubing.

If using hard PVC pipe for the drain lines make sure they always have a slope to them, don't make them perfectly horizontal or perfectly vertical.

The flushing effect works like this: Back pressure in the standpipe prevents air in the pipe from exiting the drain line. Instead of exiting the drain line, the air bubbles try to rise in the pipe slowing the rate at which the pipes drain. The water level in the chamber then rises. The increase in the chamber water level adds pressure to help clear the air from the pipe. Once enough water pressure exists in the chamber to overcome the back pressure, the air is literally is "burped" out of the drain line which crates a sudden rush of water. This is displayed as a rapid drop in the overflow chamber water level. This cycle then repeats itself over and over as the back pressure builds and gets purged.


OK, the first one was easy enough. But implementing the second is rather more of a challenge. This is driving me nuts. Either the pipe is vertical, or at a 45 bend, which restricts drainage, and thus presumably contributes to the problem. I've tried putting in a series of bends with 45 and 90 elbows, and at best this delays the onset by a few minutes.

Grrr.

I'd be really grateful for suggestions...


Any bend in the drain line at all will increase backpressure. It would be best if you used the kiss principle here. Simplify the line going from the bottom of your overflow to the sump.

If you are using PVC which I think you did then just go down to the sump. Leave the end of the pipe above the water level and see if that fixes the problem. If it does then you can work on the separate problem of noise from the water falling into your sump :lol:

If you can use flexible hose going down the the sump then its fairly easy to ensure that the line is not vertical, just offset where it goes down through the cabinet a bit and it will have to go on a bit of an angle. I think that one is best.
 
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SnowManSnow":gauf5awg said:
you fix this by drilling a progressively larger hole in the TOP cap of the pipe. I thought I already told ya that haha.. maybe it was someone else.

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Subcomandante Marcos":gauf5awg said:
I've done that. The above quote is from Durso's page. He says this is a different problem with a different fix. In any case, I'll play around more later this week. I haven't forgotten the refugium BTW.

It's a different problem, but it has the same end result. If straghtening the lower drain pipe doesn't solve it, then go back to adjusting the airflow.

I use this way to adjust Durso airflow: Drill a hole in the Durso cap and squeeze in some airline, then use an air-adjusting valve on top of that. You can practically dial in the height of water in the overflow box this way.

But yes, get the drainpipe as straight as possible first.
 
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I was reading what he said as to make the drainpipe bend.

OK, I will focus on the top. That at least is easier!
 
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Hmmm I use a type a similar type of standpipe in my overflow. Instead of drilling holes in the cap I used a vent meant for installing those sewage ejector toilets. The drain forces the vent to open only as much as is needed.

I've never had any issues (mine is the stockman with my own addition of vent on top). My drain also is probably a good 60 feet long at least with a trap as well as a rise of a few feet before finally draining.
 
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JustPhish":20wyi158 said:
Instead of drilling holes in the cap I used a vent meant for installing those sewage ejector toilets.

Sounds interesting. Have a pic or a link to one?
 
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Yeah once I get out of work and get back home I'll get some pics for you.
 
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Andy_":2d5601fs said:
Jiggle the handle...

Don't get me started on that!

Our toilet is one of those fancy pressure ones, and once you flush it you must wait until its done pressurizing or it not only won't flush, it won't finish pressurizing.

So then I have to go turn the water off, flush it to let all the pressure out, jiggle the flush valve a bunch of times and turn the water on while covering the vent.

I told you not to get me started, now my blood pressure is up!
 
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Not to totally high jack your thread, but...

Has anyone DIY drain system? I picked up the tank today and the pipe set that I thought was coming with it didn't. So, now I need to install some bulkheads and a drain system. On my current tank I have a life reef overflow and a DIY everything else. Is this still a feasible option? Can I just use PVC and bulkheads for my drain and pvc and splitters for my returns?
 
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That is what I figured, but always good to have a second opinion lol. Thanks.
 

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I always use a telescopic piece of pvc for drain pipes . This will allow you to easily adjust the length of the drain pipe entering the sump
 
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I use a street elbow directly into a bulkhead drilled into the back glass and that allows me to raise and lower the water level as I choose.
 

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