Juvenile Regal Angel

[Unarce]

Hi everyone,

I figured this would be the best place to ask this. What are the odds of finding a juvenile Regal Angel (around 2" or so). I don't think I've ever seen one smaller than 4", but I'm hoping it's not unheard of.

Thank you and have a great weekend!

Karl

 

[Anonymous]

Pop into #reefs and ask RichK...I believe he has a 3" Red Sea Regal that he purchased from The Marine Center.

Hope all is well with you, buddy.

Peace,

Chip

 

[PeterIMA]

I received a 2 inch Regal Angelfish that was net-caught about a month ago. I will probably receive some more on my next shipment.

Peter Rubec

 

[Anonymous]

On other sites, what you just did would be a bannable offense Peter (Schilling/shameless self promotion). Just a FYI. IIRC, RDO has a policy against it as well.

 

[Anonymous]

well, now that he's 'sold out to the capitalist devil', and can no longer claim moral superiority for an agenda of shutting down/controlling the industry, i guess it makes sense that he does it 'whole hog'



:twisted:
:lol:

 

[PeterIMA]

Vitz, I think you have misunderstood me. I wouldn't be communicating with you now, if my goal was to shut down the MAF trade. I have always been in favor of a sustainable trade in net-caught fish. I am against the use of cyanide to capture MAF and food fishes. I am for an equitable trade that supports the collectors and protects/conserves marine habitats. I joined the "trade" to demonstrate that it is possible to do things right. I don't see this as a conflict.

I am concerned that the trade put its support behind the MAC to rectify the problems of cyanide fishing and sustainability. This does not appear to be working. The CBUGS program is a viable trade-based alternative linking the collectors to the buyers.

So, where is the conflict?

Peter Rubec

 

[Caterham]

Mr. Rubec,

How can you market a fish as "net caught" if you didn't catch it yourself? Did someone tell you that it was "net caught" or did you personally witness the catch?

Or, perhaps, you believe it to be "net caught" but do not know this for an absolute fact.

Many thanks in advance for your reply!

 

[Anonymous]

So, where is the conflict?

Peter Rubec

Your selling them, your promiting your stock on this forum, that's the conflict my friend. Do yah think that if it was cool, this forum wouldn't be loaded with messages from all the wholesalers pimping their stock?

The second you joined the sales game Peter, is the second the rules changed for you online.

 

[Anonymous]

So, where is the conflict?

Peter Rubec

Your selling them, your promiting your stock on this forum, that's the conflict my friend. Do yah think that if it was cool, this forum wouldn't be loaded with messages from all the wholesalers pimping their stock?

The second you joined the sales game Peter, is the second the rules changed for you online.

not meaning to attack you peter, but there's another conflict easily apparent in someone who has a personal vested interest in the retail/wholesale sector being involved in any stage of 'regulation enforcement' for any part of the industry, like a cdt test/certification



welcome to the monkey house, btw

 

[Anonymous]

Yup, missed that part Vitz, but your right on the money there.

 

[PeterIMA]

My stating that I imported a Regal angelfish that was 2 inches long seems to offend some people. From now on what I import will only be known to the people who want to buy net-caught fish through me. That is fine with me. I have mentioned other companies who sell net caught fish, and no one objected to that.

I think the most important posting I made about CBUGS went unnoticed (I think it was on a different thread). EASTI plans to implement cyanide testing so as to be able to guarantee that the fish are both cyanide free and net caught. I also explained how EASTI is working with municipalities (LGUs) to help manage the MAF fishery. That is more than the MAC paper trail can provide.

My response to Caterham is why should I be required to gaurantee that fish are cyanide-free when all I said was that they came from net-collectors? Can the MAC or any PI export company guarantee that their fish are either net-caught or cyanide-free?

Peter

 

[PeterIMA]

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[PeterIMA]

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[Caterham]

Dr. Rubec,

Thanks so much for your reply as it is greatly appreciated. Unfortunately, I failed to get an answer to my question.

I received a 2 inch Regal Angelfish that was net-caught about a month ago. I will probably receive some more on my next shipment.

My question was in reference to how you knew the fish was net caught. This question is not about the MAC or any other supplier. This question is only in reference to the 2 inch Regal that was "net caught" and for sale by your company.

Was the fish net caught? If so, how can you be sure? Please explain the chain of custody for the fish in question. I am trying to learn.

Many thanks in advance for your reply!

 

[Anonymous]

My stating that I imported a Regal angelfish that was 2 inches long seems to offend some people. From now on what I import will only be known to the people who want to buy net-caught fish through me. That is fine with me. I have mentioned other companies who sell net caught fish, and no one objected to that.

I think the most important posting I made about CBUGS went unnoticed (I think it was on a different thread). EASTI plans to implement cyanide testing so as to be able to guarantee that the fish are both cyanide free and net caught. I also explained how EASTI is working with municipalities (LGUs) to help manage the MAF fishery. That is more than the MAC paper trail can provide.

My response to Caterham is why should I be required to gaurantee that fish are cyanide-free when all I said was that they came from net-collectors? Can the MAC or any PI export company guarantee that their fish are either net-caught or cyanide-free?

Peter

heh

isn't that what you are pushing for in your other thread posts re: the cdt and mandatory certification?

methinks you speaketh with forked tongue

i hereby hand over to you the keys to monkey house's executive washroom (which is only one step below getting the keys to the sump's executive washroom from cjdevito :lol: )

 

[Anonymous]

My stating that I imported a Regal angelfish that was 2 inches long seems to offend some people. From now on what I import will only be known to the people who want to buy net-caught fish through me. That is fine with me. I have mentioned other companies who sell net caught fish, and no one objected to that.

I think the most important posting I made about CBUGS went unnoticed (I think it was on a different thread). EASTI plans to implement cyanide testing so as to be able to guarantee that the fish are both cyanide free and net caught. I also explained how EASTI is working with municipalities (LGUs) to help manage the MAF fishery. That is more than the MAC paper trail can provide.

My response to Caterham is why should I be required to gaurantee that fish are cyanide-free when all I said was that they came from net-collectors? Can the MAC or any PI export company guarantee that their fish are either net-caught or cyanide-free?
Peter

<in an italian mother from the bronx's tone>

"and if everyone jumped off of the brooklyn bridge, you would too??!! "

 

[PeterIMA]

Caterham, The posting below was posted under the thread Net-Cuaght Supply of PI Fish Rising. I think it addresses your question on the steps that EASTI is taking to ensure that the fish are net-caught.


Jaime, I might accept that no exporter in PI can presently guarantee that all of their fish are net-caught. However, when I say that the company that I deal with buys 100% of their fish from net collectors, Ferdinand can and is verifying this.

First, he was involved with training most of the collectors to use nets.

Secondly, he visits their villages and acompanies them on some trips to collect fish. If they do not show proficiency with nets, he does not buy fish from them.

Third, the CBUGS program has been opening up areas where collection of MAF has been banned. Now both the Bantay Dagat and the collectors themselves protect their waters to exclude outsiders and to ensure that all collection is done with nets. Ferdinand has provided the municipal officials with his assurances that the collectors will be monitored and that we plan to implement cyanide testing. Hence, there is now a lot of pressure on the collectors to use nets or they will be banned from collecting is these areas.

Fourth, as I stated we have cleaned house with the Manila export company to ensure that everyone fully understands that they can only buy fish from net collectors recommended by Ferdinand.

There is always the possibility that some cheating may occur. But, Ferdinand, the exporter, the collector associations, and the municipal officials are working together to ensure that it will not be tolerated. Collectors will soon be licensed by the municipalities. If there is any indication that cyanide is being used to collect MAF, the collectors will lose their licenses.

Peter Rubec

 

[Jaime Baquero]

Peter,

I think that one gets confuse when you identify yourself as an importer and at the same as PeterIMA (I don't know if you belong to that NGO) or as someone "linked" to EASTI (another NGO). Is there where I see the conflict.

If you identify yourself as " Peter the importer" that's fine.

What would happen if someone from MAC becomes a fish seller? I remember the case of one IMA employee in the Philippines who was training collectors and at the same time was getting their fishes to channel them through a business operation in Manila to which he was linked. That was a huge conflict of interest. We have been told that nothing wrong is happening. No one really knows.

 

[Caterham]

Peter,

Many thanks for your reply. It is now clear to me that you do not know for an absolute fact that the fish was net caught. I respect the fact that you believe it to be net caught, but cannot prove it. I am sure that it is a wonderful, healthy fish.

I would think twice before marketing any fish as "net caught" if you cannot prove it.

 

[clarionreef]

It is asked;
"What would happen if someone from MAC becomes a fish seller?"

Answer;
They would go out of business in a week as they produce no fish!"