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Mihai

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I'm curing some beautiful Caribbean LR from FFE in a 31 gal Rubbermaid
tank. I'm having aggressive water-flow (2 x Rio 1400 powerheads), one
small (Fluval 1+) carbon activated filter and a Seaclone/Marineland
100 protein skimmer (venturi, co-current) that is not new (used by
somebody else before, and hence not in the break-in period).
(see http://www.marineland.com/products/cons ... sclone.asp)

Unfortunately ever since the LR came (3 days ago) I was unable to
obtain the nice "gunk", the thick solid/semi-solid dark green stuff
that everybody talks about (I read the dry foam vs wet foam article on
reefs.org).

Instead I'm getting about 1 cup-full of watery brownish water in the cup
(the "tea"). The skimmer seems to work well -> lots of small bubbles
in the skimmer, lots of foam coming into the cup (actually so much
that it escapes through the hole on top of the cup), but once in the
cup it does not transform into the nice green gunk but into dirty
brown water.

I looked in the protein skimmer manual and they said to make sure that
the venturi valve is at 2-3 inches below water surface. Checks. Other
than that, I tried to adjust the valve at the air intake. The more I
open it, the more air gets in and the less water flows through the
skimmer (which I think is what I want), so for now it is full open. I
also tried to connect the pump to the skimmer through about 1' long
tube, but it didn't do much: it reduced the amount of foam I'm getting
but the one that I got was still "wet".

The skimmer itself does not have any adjustment for the height of the
collection cup (I believe that others do). I am not sure if the watery
output is due to a poor skimmer design (although it seems by the color of
the deposits in the cup that the previous owner was getting green stuff
out), or an incorrect adjustment (again, only the amount of air entering
the venturi is adjustable), or simply because it's not skimming an
established aquarium but rather a fresh batch of LR that is having a
terrible water quality (4-6ppm ammonia!).

Regarding the wet/dry foam discussion, I fail to see why the wet foam
has less protein in it: if any difference, the wet foam should have
less as some water falls back into the main column (and tank), and
conceivably is taking some of the proteins back with it... am I wrong?
(a simple "yes" will not do, I'm stubborn and need arguments :)

So, in short I guess that my questions are:

1. Is it OK to have the wet foam (aka the "tea") instead of the dry foam
(aka the "gunk")?

2. If the answer to previous question is "no" then
2.a Why?
2.b How can I correct it?
Again, there is no adjustment except for the opening of the venturi valve,
and adjusting it doesn't seem to do the trick.
From what I read it seems that I need a taller "raiser", right?
Should I re-build the cup? That would mean the SeaClone is a junk!
(for some reasons I thought that MarineLand was a good company).


Thank you for your time and patience,
Mihai
 

mutley29

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Hi

Do you have the correct GPH pump for the skimmer?
also if your doing large water changes during the curing process this will diminsh the skimmate produced in the skimmer cup
is this the skimmer you will be using in your Main tank?
To be honest it sounds like you need a better skimmer, theres plenty to choose from,Aqua C, ETSS, EuroReef to name but a few

Hope this helps :D
 

Mihai

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Mutley,

I have the original pump for the skimmer = the pump that is recommeded = MaxiJet 1200 (modified).

Yes, the water change reduces the amount of foam that's formed, but not its nature: it's still "wet" = "tea".

Yes, this is the skimmer I plan to use for the main tank (main tank = 90gal + 125lb of LR when all will be said and done + 4'' DSB + 10 gal refugium).

I agree that I need a better skimmer (I'm looking at the soda DIY and plan to oversize it), however I do not think that the SeaClone does not work by design (that would suck too much!).

Hillbiliy, I agree that it's not the best skimmer I can get, but at least it's a Venturi (it would have been better to be conter-current and taller), but I think that what I get is under what it should be for the given skimmer...

Mihai
 

mutley29

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If your after a new skimmer try this, it's an excellent counter current for the money, http://www.superskimmer.com/super_reef_devil.htm.
How often do you check the cup, every hour/Day/2 Days ?
The skimmer isn't going to produce dark brown or black sludge right off the bat, leave it a day or too and see what it does?, just a thought

:D Just keep at it
 
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I think you're confused, and perhaps alarmed over nothing. The stuff that collects in the skimmmer doesn't "turn into" the green kind of byproduct after it lands in the skimmer cup. I think your skimmer is just pulling something else from the water. Perhaps the byproduct is brown because it's dead or dying organic matter that came off the LR you are curing. If you ran the skimmer in a cycled tank you would notice the green skimmer byproduct rather than the brown.

I observed the same thing while I was curing my live rock. . .

:)
 
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msichiti":3s1ienes said:
1. Is it OK to have the wet foam (aka the "tea") instead of the dry foam (aka the "gunk")?
Yes

msichiti":3s1ienes said:
2.b How can I correct it?
It doesn't need correcting, it needs replacing.

msichiti":3s1ienes said:
Should I re-build the cup?
If you want to be lazy and not clean the cup out as often you can plumb in a drain to run to a bucket and put a secondary collection cup on the air vent to catch the skimmate that inevitably always spurts out the top...

msichiti":3s1ienes said:
That would mean the SeaClone is a junk!
That would be a totally correct.

FWIW, my skimmate using both a Suckclone 100 and a Euroreef ES5-2 has always varied between brownish and greenish (both skimmers pulled brown and green stuff, but the Euro pulls probably about 10 times as much out...)

I bought one of these POS skimmers and am back to using one (for the moment) on a 20g holding tank. It sucks, but I'm hoping it's better than nothing.. If you know you've had a large die-off on the rock, run the strongest skimmer you can on it until things settle down. - Then that little POS should be able to do just fine with no other bioload.. :wink:
 

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