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Russ1

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I have a runaway monster! I need suggestions or advise regarding my 500 gal stony coral tank. The problems that I am having are too much calcium and alkalinity consumption. I would like to keep my levels at 400+ calcium and 8-10 DKH alkalinity but it just keeps creeping downward. I have a very large calcium reactor with a second chamber that is basically trickling into the sump. I also have a very large kalkwasser reactor that consistently drips RODI top-off water at a pH of 11+ into the sump. My pH stays at about 8.2 during the day and about 8.0-8.1 at night. I perform frequent large water changes with IO salt. My tank has about 3000 watts of lighting with a large fan blowing across the surface of the water so I don't think I can get any more evaporation. Thanks! Russ
 

Fatal Morgana

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You may need to get a calcium reactor to match your large Ca consumption. Kalkreactor can only do so much.


What type of ca rxtor do you have now?
 

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He has a large Ca reactor. Perhaps, then, you should try supplementing it with a large kalkreactor as well. Also, what is your Ca reator's effluent pH? You can increase the CO2 rate to raise your Ca and alk.
 

Fatal Morgana

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The kalkreactor is limited by the evaporation rate. May want to spike it with organic acid like vinegar, but that is easier done with kalk dripping than kalk reactor... unless you can acidify the RO/DI automatically with dosing pump/controller.

Len's suggestion of jacking up the CO2 is a good alternative since CO2 is relatively cheap compare to a new reactor. If it still does not do the job, you should consider a larger calcium reactor.

Two part additive is too expensive for you, unless you want to go thru the hassel of mixing it yourself from reagent :yuk:
 
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define large

my reactor is dual chamber and 3' tall

exactly how large is your reactor, and how often do you have to refill the media
 
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This is a picture of my reactor, 36" tall chambers

it's only partly full because it's only a 75g tank now, I'm not doing another 240g tank ever again, too much work


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You can run the dog snot out of most calcium reactors. I'm running mine with an effluent rate of 500 ml per minute at a ph of 6.7 after the second chamber. Just crank up the effluent rate and crank up the co2. I use up a 20# bottle of co2 in about 4 months and melt about 50# of crushed coral each year. Run your effluent into a cup and then let it drip down into a turbulent area of your sump and you shouldn't have to much problems with the ph of your tank.

Part of your problem might be the frequent large water changes with IO salt. It doesn't mix up to a very high ca and alk IME. So doing large changes is actually hurting your ca and alk supplementation requirements.

FWIW, Nathan
 

Russ1

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Thanks for the replies. I have both a large calcium reactor and a large kalkreactor. The calcium reactor is two 8 inch by 18 inch high chambers. The kalkreactor is 6 inch by 36 inch. I have not run the calcium reactor as high as I can for fear of low pH. I have plenty of CO2. Three 15lb bottles. I drip the effluent about 10 inches above the sump. I'm going to turn the calcium reacto way up and see what happens! Keep the advise coming! Thanks, Russ
 

npaden

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Measure the rate of effluent and also keep track of the ph of the effluent. I do this by having the effluent first go into a cup in the sump then spill over into the sump. I keep a ph probe in the cup and try to keep the effluent ph at 6.7.

Make sure you know what your rate is before you start messing with it so you can measure the change and know how much it is affecting the tank's levels.

FWIW, Nathan
 

Russ1

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Nathan, My sump is too big for a cup! I could run the effluent into a bucket that sits in the sump but don't think I could accurately measure the pH. One problem I may be having is the frequency of changing my reactor media. What are your suggestions and what are you using for media? My biggest concern is that my pH is going to plummet when I increase the flow rate that excessively. I'll keep you posted. Also, I am going to try and get some pictures tonight. Russ
 

Fatal Morgana

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Do you have a pH meter?

As for the calcium media, most are the same, but some have some leaves and garbage in them that I don't like. FWIW, I use crushed coral and other generic brand. Some may turn muddy quicker, but that usually does not affect the amount of Ca output if you change it regularly (like every 3-6 months). If you need to change the media more often, you rxtor is too small.
 

Russ1

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Update: Last night I turned the calcium reactor way up! I haven't measured how much, but it is a stream and not a drip. I turned up the CO2 and now the effluent is pH of 6.7. I was surprised that the pH of the tank did not drop and actually went up. This morning the DKH is 10 and the calcium is 400 up from 7 and 390 last night! Thanks! Russ
 

Fatal Morgana

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With good circulation and nice air exchanger (good skimmer, etc.), pH problem is rare since CO2 is relatively easy to get out of water.... got to finish my beer before it goes flat....
 

Russ1

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Nathan, I just took a look at the pictures of your tank from June. I love the picture of the four tangs! Nice job! By the way, I now live in New Hampshire but I was born and raised in Portales, New Mexico, 90 miles to your west. Russ
 

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Have you checked the levels of the Ca and Alk in the water for the water change? If the Ca and Alk are low in that then you are also going to lower your levels
 

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