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pecan2phat

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8.5 is ideal so I wouldn't worry too much about 8.6
I doubt if it'll stay that high after a month or so. You should test your alkalinity and calcium levels to make sure you have the reactor tuned to the parameters that your tank requires.
 

henrystyle

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Found this on the net.
http://www.thereeftank.com/forums/f67/calcium-reactor-question-tdwyatt-20300.html
Gonna raise my CO2 bubble rate to set my effluent ph at about 6.5-6.8. Then I'm going to lower the effluent drip rate and see if that corrects the problem.
I think I caused an acidic condition within the reactor causing the high PH swings. Right now my effluent ph is about 7.1. I was trying to adjust my Alk and Cal levels down a little bit, but I think I went about it the wrong way causing another problem.
 
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henrystyle

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Your effluent can't be where it needs to be to produce the amount of alkalinty your tank needs try lowering it..
Actually with the effluent ph set at 7.1 my tank Alk is 9 dkh and calcium is 450 ppm. (want my cal to be about 420 ppm)
I just think I went about adjusting the calcium reactor the wrong way. Gonna touch it up today and see what happens...
Also gonna start using instant ocean salt. No need to use a salt that boost levels when your using a calcium reactor. Trying to get my tank close to natural seawater levels... I noticed the tank looking it best when parameters are near that. I got this reactor for stability. I am away from home alot. Trying to automate the tank as much as possible keeping parameters steady.
 

henrystyle

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You should really get a ph probe and an effluent reactor so you know when your effluent is at the right ph.. Also not having the opposite low ph problem...
I have a ph probe for my reactor and 1 for my tank. I know exactly what the numbers are. I keep them clean and calibrated.
The effluent collects in this self made acrylic holder and drips into the tank. I have no sump..
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SevTT

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Does anyone know why calcium reactors tend to raise the tanks PH level?

My tank is reading 8.6 PH. When the lights go out it starts to come down.
Whats that about?

Your tank's pH will rise naturally when the lights come on and fall when the lights go off. This is due to photosynthetic organisms sucking carbon dioxide out of the system when the lights are on and putting CO2 back into the system when the lights go off. In solution, a portion of the CO2 in a tank will naturally form carbolic acid (H2CO3) -- basically, a CO2 atom with a weak attachment to a water molecule, but that's enough to make an acid. ;)

Usually a Calcium reactor will tend to lower pH. If your pH is getting to high you could always increase the flow of CO2 through the calcium reactor, or possibly even just increase active aeration in your tank.
 

henrystyle

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Your tank's pH will rise naturally when the lights come on and fall when the lights go off. This is due to photosynthetic organisms sucking carbon dioxide out of the system when the lights are on and putting CO2 back into the system when the lights go off. In solution, a portion of the CO2 in a tank will naturally form carbolic acid (H2CO3) -- basically, a CO2 atom with a weak attachment to a water molecule, but that's enough to make an acid. ;)

Usually a Calcium reactor will tend to lower pH. If your pH is getting to high you could always increase the flow of CO2 through the calcium reactor, or possibly even just increase active aeration in your tank.
I do need to increase the flow in the tank a bit....Thx for the info...
 

Simon Garratt

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What you are generally encountering is the increased buffering effect of higher alkalinity within the tank.

As a general trend, the higher the alk, the less drift you get over a 24/7 period of the tanks pH

after increasing Alk...over several days you may notice the pH lowpoint (usually encounterd at the end of the dark period) will be slightly higher as the increased Alk limits the nightime pH suppression..it may well keep getting slightly higher over a few days as well, settling out to a smaller degree of drift overal. Equally though, you may find that your high point moves upwards slightly, becouse the tank is starting off each day at a slightly higher point than it had been previously.

it wont continue in this trend indeffinately though becouse the alk level (as long as it stays constant) sets the trend, and limits it (high Alk= small drift.....low Alk= large drift)

These are dirty numbers, but they illustrate the possible before and after effects.

Before..

Tank DkH 7.9

Ph High 8.3... PH low 7.95....Total drift 0.35

After

Tank DkH 9.0

pH high 8.4...pH low 8.15.....Total drift 0.25


The tanks total suppression factor is a combination of A: the bioload that gives off C02 at night and /or takes up 02 (fish, algae, corals, macrofauna, bacteria)..and B: the suppression affect from your Ca reactor. (the tank has to deal with the exess C02 released by the reactor via its effluant which is at a lower pH than the tank). there are other factors but these are by and large the main ones.


The trouble you will have with altering the pH of the reactor, is that you also directly affect the dKH output...If you increase the gas, you increase the dkH output. That affects the dKh of the tank, and subsiquently your tank pH again...If anything, lowering the reactors pH, will 'increase' your dKh, compounding the issue further..whilst raising the reactor pH will decrease Dkh output, and the level in your tank giving rise to a wider swing and possibly lower overal pH.


My advice would be to let the tank do what it wants to do...let it settle out at a pH its happy with...and use the reactor to control the tanks dKh, not the tanks pH...as long as your tanks dKh is within the right ranges, then all's well.

If anything, your in an evyable position...most people with Ca reactors actually have to fight a balancing act between adding enough C02 to get a good DkH out of the reactor, whilst not suppressing the tanks pH too much with large amounts of low pH effluant.

regards

Simon
 
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