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Boomer

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Coral growth is a function of 5 things, light, food, pH, Alk and temp. NO, not calcium levels as long as the are above say 375 ppm.

Now, do NOT take this and run with it. There are two ways pH is measured, pHsws and pHnbs. We use pHnbs. So, the true seawater pH when we use a meter is ~0.15 pH units to high. Meaning, if the meter reads 8.3 the real seawater pH is 8.15. About 8.0 is the avg true pH of the coral reefs not 8.3. So, going with a pHnbs as you asked of 8.4, = 8.25sws is higher than any reef. Whether or not it is better to run it this high is really not known, as what takes place in coral growth is depends on those other 4 variables too. It has been shown the Alk is very important growth parameter, much more so than pH. So, running your dKH 1 unit higher would more than likely be a better bet vs that higher pH of your 8.4. And do not ever let that Alk get higher than 11 dKH,i.e., 12 dKH can start issues like RTN. The Alk of most reef is ~ 6.3 dKH or no higher than 6.5 dKH. The reason we often tell you levels like say 9 or 10 dKh is to give you more buffer, not for corals / say but to neutralize acids and help buffer the pH so corals have that reef like dKH.

When we get into the world of pH test kits it is a different matter than a pH probe and depends on the pH test kit color indicator used. Some will give the value like pHsws, others like pHnbs and yet others in between or worse error correction. Meters and kits are affected by the salt. In the pH world it is called the " salt effect error ". And 95 % of the test kit manufactures and 100 % of the aquarium world manufactures do not tell what that error is in seawater. This why people complain about kits vs meters being off from one another, although not knowing the real reason. For example, the SeaTest/Aquarium Sytsems/Instant Oceans/Kordon gives true seawater pHsws using Metacresol Purple. The LaMotte, Hi-Low pH kit uses Cresol Red and when testing in seawater you have to subtract 0.27 from the reading. It is pretty much Metacresol Purple only that gives a good accurate true seawater pH. It is also the choice of chemical oceanographers in labs.
 

duke62

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Hey boomer I started the Kalk in my ATO a week on Monday with just using the water from the bucket I Make the Kalk mix in and not the powder. I just siphon the water out of the bucket into my ATO. I don't chase my ph which is a constant 8.0 and figured thos would bring it up some but my ph has actually lowered to the 7.9 range. Am I doing something wrong? Mt ATO container is sealed so no air is entering. And the ph in the ATO is over 10 in ATO my ph probe reads error when ph goes over 10.5.
 

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Charlie:

There is a seawater pH cal solution but it is an arm and leg and has to be made in a lab. We usually tell people 8.3, the way we cal a probe, which is equal to 8.15 tue seawater. So, shoot for on your meter, 8.15 - 8.3 pH. What ever you do DO NOT chase some pH. Meaning, if you are 8.10 on your meter, true seawater pH, 7.95 and somewhat stable leave it the hell alone. 99 % of all pH issues in tanks is to much CO2.

For example:

If you have a salinity of 35 ppt / 1.0264 Sg at 80 F temp., the Alk is 8 dKH, your meter pH should be ~ 8.3. If you had 10 dKH, it should be 8.37 pH. Meaning, if your meter pH is 8.1, 8.2, etc., you have to much CO2.






Duke

You need a saturated solution of ~ 12 - 13 pH, not 10. Who's probe and or meter do you have ? That meter should go to 14pH.
 
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Alfredo De La Fe

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This should not happen. If your calcium needs are so great that you have to crank up the CO2 injection to the point that the PH is affected then you really should add a second chamber of Ca media to your calcium reactor and have the water flow through it.

Alfred

Yah, that Kalk will help the pH issues one often gets from calcium reactors from excess CO2, where the tank pH is often lower than one wants with just reactor alone.
 

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Alfred

I beg to differ with you on this issue as will most. CR are notorious for low tank pH. Dual stage reactors are better but not always a 100 % fix. Many CR reefers have low pH issues without cranking up the CO2 and most do not crank up the CO2 to generate more Ca++ as you claim. You have to look at each system/ tank differently, ie, room air CO2, tank generated CO2, etc.. There are set guide lines for running CR and even if you follow those to the letter you can still have low tank pH issues.


This should not happen. If your calcium needs are so great that you have to crank up the CO2 injection to the point that the PH is affected then you really should add a second chamber of Ca media to your calcium reactor and have the water flow through it.

Alfred
 
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