Sump Q's

[beave121]

Hopefullyu guys/ladies wont have to many more questions from me for awhile after these.

So i just got a 40 gallon breeder with a store bought stand im trying to figure out what tank has a better foot print to build the sump from. I have been thinking about a 20 long but not sure if there is a tank with a wider foot print that would make a better sump. My idea is 3 chambers first chamber 1 will be the overflow with the skimmer maybe some live rock chamber 2 for the fuge with a think sand bed and macro then threw a bubble trap to the return pump maybe somemore live rock.
Im guessing that the 20 is the go to tank for a 40 breeder just wasnt sure if there was a better option.

Also what is everyones opinion on a return pump i got a rio 1100 i believe i will check when i get home it came with the tank.

Hopefully this is my last round of questions for everyone and thanx in advance.


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[rkaragozler]

imo go as big as you can that will fit inside the stand. are you drilling the tank for an overflow?? the rio has a max head at 6', but does about 300 gph at 4', so it should be okay as long as you don't have a lot of elbows.

 

[saltwaterinbrooklyn]

imo go as big as you can that will fit inside the stand. are you drilling the tank for an overflow?? the rio has a max head at 6', but does about 300 gph at 4', so it should be okay as long as you don't have a lot of elbows.

This is Very true , you can't ever have a big enough sump!!!!! I made mine out of a 29 gal Aqueon and it was a bit tight but awesome fit !!And I have plenty of elbow room for aNd I have a 57 rimless

 

[rbtwo4]

same here i have a 30g rimless and the sump is a 29g aqueon.

 

[beave121]

Going to have to look up the dimensions of tanks or going crazy with acrylic and try to build a sump from scratch only bc i found a guy on craigslist sellin it cheap and i like the adventure.

What size bulkheads would u guys recommend???
Thinking of doing 2 drains in each top corner with strainers and 1 return with 2 nozzles 1 pointing left and the other going right.

Thank u all for the help let me know if im getting to annoying with all the questions.


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[rkaragozler]

building a sump is not as hard as you think.

 

[beave121]

Ok so here is my update after looking at all the diff forums today and getting ideas off everyone elses questions and all the sites and lay outs that they were given. I think im going to go with a 30 gallon sump. On the left side im going to have my DT draining into chamber 1 with the skimmer the chamber 2 will b the return and chamber 3 will b the fuge. I have to find the diagram that was posted in a thread that was pretty deep so im assuming it was a old one. I really like how it made a bigger, deeper fuge section. Just not 100% on the plumbing do i just put a T halfway down thedrai. From the DT or buy a second overflow kit (glass-holes.com is the kit i would like to use)??? I still have time as i wait for my freshwater setup to sell but im doing as much research and planing to make sure i do it right the first time around.


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[rkaragozler]

dont add another overflow, just t of the main drain and put a valve to regulate flow to fuge area.
here is one of many that i designed and built for members here, this one is a 55 gallon sump, give me some more info and i can design one for you.

 

[beave121]

There it is, my future sump. For the fuge to cut the wterfall noise im going to put a bulkhead with a 90 degree elbow and a pipe going into the water in the return section. I know the bigger the better for both the fuge and skimmer sections how much room should i have for my return section??? Most likely going to use a 30 gallon for the sump it seems to have the best dimensions for my stand. I think im deff set with this design may be a little more plumbing but i like the bigger fuge. I might go with a little bigger pump with a T in the return going back into the sump with a valve to control it better just wish i didnt sell my mag 10 but no big deal. So as it sits now all i need is my sump/plumbing, return pump and i would like to look into a better skimmer. Hopefully i will be starting some build threads soon

Thanx again for the help


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[rkaragozler]

as far as putting a 90 degree elbow. Don't do it. you see when water enter the elbow water will mix with air, and will create bubbles, which in return will get sucked up by your return pump, causing micro bubbles in your dt. what you want to do is put a 15 degree angle on that piece of glass this will stop the water fall affect and keep the bubbles on top of your water level.
as far as the area for the return pump the bigger the better. this is the area where the evaporated water will show, if you make it to small you have to top it off very often.
my suggestion to you is figure out what skimmer you are getting, and work from their.

 

[beave121]

That all makes sence. With a 30 inch long tank i should be able to make all 3 chambers a good size. For the fuge baffle your saying 15 degree angle towards the fuge section???


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[beave121]

ok here is my idea (done on microsoft paint) my idea is to drill my overflow in the middle of the tank and have 2 return jets 1 in each corner. what im not sure of is will the overflow from the DT tank to the sump work like i have in this pic or should it come straight down with the T going to the fuge come out the side. not sure if i am explaining it the right way but hopefully u guys understand what im saying. also is that what you ment by 15 degree angle for the fuge???

 

[rkaragozler]

ok here is my idea (done on microsoft paint) my idea is to drill my overflow in the middle of the tank and have 2 return jets 1 in each corner. what im not sure of is will the overflow from the DT tank to the sump work like i have in this pic or should it come straight down with the T going to the fuge come out the side. not sure if i am explaining it the right way but hopefully u guys understand what im saying. also is that what you ment by 15 degree angle for the fuge???

very well laid out, i know on that program you cant put 45 degree angles on the corners.
here is what i suggest.
1- the third baffle from the left has to be about 2" lower than the 1st
2- if possible try to use as many 45 degree elbows as you can.
3- yes the baffle from the fuge has to lean 15 degrees towards the fuge

 

[beave121]

i read about the third baffle in all the threads that you have posted in to help and forgot about it when i made this up. so instead of useing 1 90 degree your saying use 2 45's??? i will draw up anouther one either later tonight or tomarrow and see what u think.

 

[beave121]

is there any other way to stop to bubble from the fuge chamber to the return chamber???a 15 degree angle seems like it will take up alot of room in the sump. what about anouther bubble trap or even 2 baffles the one all the way to the right and anouther one 1 inch off the bottom letting the water go under and the bubbles staying up top??? or maybe a sponge that the water can go threw and the bubbles getting caught in. i would like to make a big deep fuge chamber if possible.

 

[beave121]

also should i run a UV steralizer or no???

 

[rkaragozler]

in my opinion adding more baffles reduces your return area and it is not necessary, you can always drop the angle back a tad.. you just don't want it 90 degrees, just a little angle is all it takes, as far as uv their is pros and cons, you need to do your research on them, i personally don't run one