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DJ88

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Running with media. Rx is 24 inches high(chamber). Holds 16 lbs of media, 2 gallons of H2O, running at 80 ml/mn effluent, 30 BPM to keep it at pH 6.8. CO2 recirc line removes excess CO2 collecting at the top and re-introduces it into the circ pump where it is chopped again and then back into the main reaction chamber.

I think it just looks pretty.
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Pre installation of John guest fittings.

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myreef

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Looks good Darren! Interesting design with the box underneath....I know you have made reactors before..with different designs. Any one better than another?

I like the line feeding any bleed off CO2 back to the pump. I have been thinking about adding that to mine as well. Do you think you will use less CO2 with this setup with the bleed line?
 

DJ88

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Hi Andy,

Thanks.
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I had fun with this design. I want to see if the same theories about water stability in larger tanks will apply in this case. What I am hoping(and seeing so far) is that once you get your Rx to the desired levels it will remain there for the most part. Here is my reasoning behind this.

With the larger volume of H2O in the Reactor(Rx), as you add the 100ml/min of water from your tank you are only changing a much smaller portion of the Rx's total volume. There is two gallons(~8 litres) of H2O in this design. Where my old one had maybe 1/2 Gal(~2 litres). So four times the volume. Adding & expelling 100ml/min means the entire Rx theoretically empties in ~80 minutes( I know it takes longer due to fluid dynamics, this is just in theory). Where in the smaller reactor it will take only 20 min. With this high turnover in volume it takes a lot more CO2 to get all this new 8.3pH water down to about 6.5. Once again. theoretically about 4x's.
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So by having the extra H2O you are looking at a reduction in CO2 use. Once you get it down to the desired settings that is. To get it there you will need to put a bit extra CO2 in. but once it's where you want, it should be stable. When I introduce that 100ml/min of fresh tank water I am forcing out only 1.25% of the total volume where in a smaller Rx 5% is changed. Meaning more CO2 is needed to get that new water down in pH in the smaller Rx than the larger. Large vs small tanks hold the same principles. If you were to add 50 ml of B-ionic to a 20 gallon tank you can see a much larger change than sayif you add that same 50 ml to a 120gallon tank.

The recirc idea is one that playfair on RC posted about. It seems to work quite well. If I get a CO2 build up in the Rx, it is fed back into the circulation pump with water and is chopped up and sent back into the main reaction chamber. Playfair has dropped his CO2 use down to 30BPM. And as the day goes on since turning this thing on I am slowly dropping mine down as well. I was at 60BPM to get it down to 6.8 but at this moment am running about 40-45BPM. And all is well(fingers crossed).

One thing I really like about the 24" height is that the CO2 rich water has to pass through a lot of media to get to the pump. All this contact time should result in a more efficient Rx. I hope. lol. Once again my theories are in effect here. Instead of passing the water through 12" of media right now my water is having to go through about 17-18" of media. Hopefully reasulting in a lower number of times a ml ofwater needs to pass through the Rx to achive the results I want. Higher Ca, Alk and lower pH.

Basically this is all an experiment. I have this Rx on my tank and a similarly designed Rx on a buddies tank. He hasn't ran a Rx before so I can't really use his as an example but can get some general numbers and data fom him. If this works. I'll be happy. If it runs the same. C'est la vie. I am still happy. I have a Rx that holds enough ARM to last a year.
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myreef

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I think your theories are correct on CO2 usage for the recirculating reactor and the bleed valve. I say Playfairs thread on RC and was going to test it on mine and a friends, but we never got around to doing it...for whatever reason. Maybe I will throw something on mine next week or the week after or the week after.
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I will be interested to see if your theories do hold true though.

I agree with the height of a reactor and passing through more media. I achieve the same thing with my 6x18 reactor that holds as much as most dual stages. It is similar to a wide tank, where the surface area is larger therefore more gas exchange can take place.

Looks like you do great work! I always enjoy your projects!
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DJ88

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Thanks again Andy,

I enjoy playing around with ideas and such. Keeps me out of trouble. I am wondering if I have too many on the go right now. Know much about electronics?
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Designing a few different little things right now. Dual pH sensor(tank/effluent), temp sensor and salinity monitor you hook to your PC for long term data logging via an 8 bit PCI card. As well a lighting/fans/heater controller you plug in and forget. A saftey device basically. shuts things down in case of overtemp for whatever reason. And some testing on a few "off the shelf" products. In other words, I like to keep busy.
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It looks like everything is working pretty well. It's taking a bit longer to get the pH down to where I like it. But it is still dropping.
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Playfair would love hearing about others trying the recirc idea.

Had a setback with another little DIY project of mine last ngiht tho. I used a diffeent acrylic material(composition) in a kalk stirrer. looks like it either doesn't handle pressure applications well or it didn't like the high dKh of the kalk solution. Top cracked last night and dumped a couple of gallons of water on the floor.
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oh well, part of DIY'ing right?

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DJ88

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bit of an update.

Working great. Had a few little mistakes of my own to fix but it is running well.

effluent is at 19dKh right now. keeping my tank at 12.5.
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effluent pH is actually at 7.0 and still getting the numbers I want.

I have the BPM at ~45. in a couple of hours I will drop it to 30 and see how it goes.

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Tangy1

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DJ88 That's a great design! I really like the idea of the recirculation loop for the non-dissolved C02.

I have a K2R calc reactor that I purchased before I knew boards like this existed. Otherwise I might have tried to make one myself or purchased a myreef option.

I always have undissolved or unreacted C02 on the top of my reactor chamber. This stays there until enough builds up and makes its way out the effulent tube. What a waste!!!

I see how you made the loop. I would like to know where I can get the pieces necessary to make it. I don't even know what the pieces are called.

Thanks for any help either DJ99 or myreef can provide.
 

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