Worlds first MARINE ALBINO FISH

[Euroreefer]

They look healthy, but possessed.:batangel:

 

[rookie07]

I am confused...doesnt an albino lack all pigment? So, wouldnt they just be all white?

I think this might be a dumb question, so please no bashing

 

[smoknreefrs]

ugly

 

[Dre]

What will they think off next?

 

[NYreefNoob]

marcel nothing personal and appluade you from being able to raise them, i currently have 6 clowns now 4 mis-bar true percs, 3 dont even have bars on them and 2mis-bar aus occ. waiting to see what hapens down the road if they ever breed, other then the red eyes and no black lines they look like reg clowns. { i do like odd balls } but these just arent eye catching to me. better becareful making fun of my frog before he arrives in a box to you :tongue1:

 

[FishyLovers]

they look extremly cool!!!

 

[TOTAL AQUARIUMS]

They do look kind of cool and I can appreciate what was accomplished, they just aren't for me. Were both parents normal clowns or was one albino to begin with?

 

[Arati]

They were both normal I belive. Just hit the lottery.

wish you would just send me my pair already Marcel ... I have been waiting for months... to bad noone from macna could fly back with a bag of em.. stupid terrorists ruining my hobby...

 

[Marcel]

marcel nothing personal and appluade you from being able to raise them, i currently have 6 clowns now 4 mis-bar true percs, 3 dont even have bars on them and 2mis-bar aus occ. waiting to see what hapens down the road if they ever breed, other then the red eyes and no black lines they look like reg clowns. { i do like odd balls } but these just arent eye catching to me. better becareful making fun of my frog before he arrives in a box to you :tongue1:

I did not take it the wrong way, don?t you worry.
I found it funny, you call them ugly and that?s what I think of your frog.
I like frogs, but these bull frogs are a bit much.
I also prefer misbarred clowns. They are unique. There offspring will look normal, only if you feed lacking in fatty acids, you will get again misbarred ones.
You can?t scare me with your frog. You will never send him down, because you can?t afford the shipping for this heavy bull frog, I guess. :lol:

 

[Marcel]

I am confused...doesnt an albino lack all pigment? So, wouldnt they just be all white?

I think this might be a dumb question, so please no bashing

No, it?s not a dumb question. I did not know it either, a few months ago.

Albinism is a lack of melanin, the dark pigmentation. It is also called amelanistic. There is another form of lacking pigmentation. Forgot the word.
It is a lack of red pigmentation. So you get lacking in dark and lacking in red pigmentation.
Clowns got red/orange, so this pigmentation will stay, but fade, because of missing black. The eyes are red, because you can see the blood fessels. If they had green blood, the eyes would be green.
The white rabbit with red eyes is completely white, because if he would have melanin, this rabbit would be black. A red rabbit lacking in melanin would look similar to the clowns. The colour would fade.
Red rabbit? What the hell I am talking about...:tongue1:

 

[Marcel]

They do look kind of cool and I can appreciate what was accomplished, they just aren't for me. Were both parents normal clowns or was one albino to begin with?

Both parents are regular ocellaris, but both got the gene defect of lacking melanin. There offspring is 75% normal orange and 25% albino.
It is a fact, that?s how genetics works. But if from 100 % eggs, only 70% hatch, you will have sometimes around 20% or even 15% albinos.
An regular ocellaris, without the gene defect, crossed with an albino, will show only orange offspring. But 2/3 of the offspring will carry the gene defect.

 

[Marcel]

They were both normal I belive. Just hit the lottery.

wish you would just send me my pair already Marcel ... I have been waiting for months... to bad noone from macna could fly back with a bag of em.. stupid terrorists ruining my hobby...

You are right, I hit the lottery. So you follow the whole story since May already? I really would like to hear, what you think of the albinos, when you can see them in front of you. It is so different. I don?t like almost all the pictures, but I love them in my tanks.

 

[sjsoto]

i think they look awesome,and if i could i would get one...

 

[Raul]

An regular ocellaris, without the gene defect, crossed with an albino, will show only orange offspring. But 2/3 of the offspring will carry the gene defect.

Love the fish but......

If you cross a normal colored fish without the gene to a homozygous animal (albino) all the offspring will look normal but they will all carry the gene...

 

[Marcel]

Love the fish but......

If you cross a normal colored fish without the gene to a homozygous animal (albino) all the offspring will look normal but they will all carry the gene...

I won?t say you are wrong, but I was told on MOFIB, that 2/3 would carry the gene.
The normal looking parents of the albinos, produce 25% albino and 75% normal looking occelaris. 2/3 from the normal looking ones will carry the gene.
Everybody on MOFIB agreed to this.
In my opinion, it does not really matter, if it?s 2/3 or all.
As long as I still get everytime my 25% albinos. :tongue1:

 

[jobu28]

I dont know what you were told and i dont want to get into an arguement about it but Raul is right. If you look up genetics and punnett squares you will find all the info you need. If you breed a homozygous animal of a recessive trait(we'll use albinos) to a normal you will get all normal looking offspring of which all will carry the trait. If you breed one of those babies back to a parent you will get 50% albinos and 50% normals 100% heterozygous for albinism. If you breed two 100% het babies together you will get 25% albinos and 75% normals of which 2/3 will carry the genes, but you dont know which ones, so that makes them what we call 66% possible heterozygous carriers of albinisn.

 

[Marcel]

I dont know what you were told and i dont want to get into an arguement about it but Raul is right. If you look up genetics and punnett squares you will find all the info you need. If you breed a homozygous animal of a recessive trait(we'll use albinos) to a normal you will get all normal looking offspring of which all will carry the trait. If you breed one of those babies back to a parent you will get 50% albinos and 50% normals 100% heterozygous for albinism. If you breed two 100% het babies together you will get 25% albinos and 75% normals of which 2/3 will carry the genes, but you dont know which ones, so that makes them what we call 66% possible heterozygous carriers of albinisn.

It looks like, I misunderstood something. The last sentence you wrote, that is exactly what I was told on Mofib. At least it is clear know, how the genetics works. Thanks for your explanation.