thanks to the petland on broadway i still have ick lost almost all livestock

[arnaldolex]

about two weeks ago i caught ick from two engineer gobys i bought from petland i already lost my huge yellow tang my tomino tang my damsel my manderine one of my clown fish and one of my zebra gobys am down to one clown fish that might die today and my zebra goby all of this for buying from the petland on broadway. i have a question after these last fish dye how long before the ick dies in the water am doing a upgrade from a 75 to a 125 this week i will only have alot of corals until its safe how long do ya recommend before i add fish

 

[thirty5]

Tank should remain at least 8 week fallow to be sure that the tank is clean.

I also just got ICH and I lost a Naso other fish look ok, but I am not happy. But honestly, you cannot blame the pet store for the ICH. Did you QT the fish? In my case I added a fish to my tank and then my Naso got ich, but I will not "blame" where I got the fish from. It is my fault for not qt'ing the animal before putting it into my DT.

While it really sucks, it is a lesson learned. I am still trying to catch my anthias out of my DT to get them into a hospital tank and go fallow for a while to be sure that I am rid of the ICH.

 

[d5332]

8 weeks with an empty tank....

Recent discussion about QT has me convinced that retail chain fish and or small shops fish in heavily overcrowded tanks cannot be added to a main display tank without first having them in QT for a few weeks, those sources do not provide proper maintenance, they just bring and and try to push them out as fast as they can and create a bunch of problems for the hobbyist.

Dont ever ever ever buy from retail chains again.

 

[Jaynie1028]

I have ich as well. I lost all my fish except my pair of clowns that also had ich but I was able to get them out. As far as I know you have to starve the tank with no fish for 30 to 45 days. But u can't have any fish in the tank during this time. Good luck. It's going to take sometime.

 

[Imbarrie]

Dont ever ever ever buy from retail chains again.

+1
Not everyone has the space or availability to QT fish. There was a recent post that shows more people don't than do and that is a separate issue with good and bad points.

Most importantly if you do not QT, then do not buy from a chain. You may as well be throwing pennies in your tank.
I don't care who works at the chain.

 

[d5332]

I am inclined to agree with you hence why I have not and will not even mention my troubles to those I purchased recently from.

QT is the last check point and it lands on the hobbyist to perform it but I will not defend vendors.

A national/international seller is more inclined to stick to tight maintenance regiments such as changing UV bulbs on time, water chemistry, medicated water and so on.

The lesson I learned is basically you have to get to know your sources very very very welll and dont believe everything and take the precaution of QT if you buy from brick and mortar places.

I have never had an issue with Live Aquaria fish.

Tank should remain at least 8 week fallow to be sure that the tank is clean.

I also just got ICH and I lost a Naso other fish look ok, but I am not happy. But honestly, you cannot blame the pet store for the ICH. Did you QT the fish? In my case I added a fish to my tank and then my Naso got ich, but I will not "blame" where I got the fish from. It is my fault for not qt'ing the animal before putting it into my DT.

While it really sucks, it is a lesson learned. I am still trying to catch my anthias out of my DT to get them into a hospital tank and go fallow for a while to be sure that I am rid of the ICH.

 

[albano]

Recent discussion about QT has me convinced that retail chain fish and or small shops fish in heavily overcrowded tanks cannot be added to a main display tank without first having them in QT for a few weeks, those sources do not provide proper maintenance, they just bring and and try to push them out as fast as they can and create a bunch of problems for the hobbyist.

Dont ever ever ever buy from retail chains again.

While that MIGHT have a little truth in it...the point you seemed to have missed in the "recent discussion about QT" is that ALL fish need to be QT'd before going into your DT.

QT is the last check point and it lands on the hobbyist to perform it

A national/international seller is more inclined to stick to tight maintenance regiments such as changing UV bulbs on time, water chemistry, medicated water and so on.

I have never had an issue with Live Aquaria fish.

Live Aquaria fish are shipped direct from a wholesaler in Calif. If you've ever been to a wholesaler you might be shocked by the "tight maintenance regiments"
The fact that you've never had an issue with Live Aquaria fish is called LUCK! ...that being said LA is a great vendor, BUT you still need to QT...those fish (like everyone else') can have problems!...because..."they just bring and and try to push them out as fast as they can"

 

[d5332]

I did not miss the point of QT for all fish, hence why before I unsubscribed to that thread I communicated that I now have a QT tank, not missed at all.

These posts are opinions, for some based on experiences. I have never had a Live Aquaria shipment arrive and then get sick, never! Orders for me with live Aquaria are always for more than 1 fish at a time.

I intend on observing new fish in the QT tank I set up regardless of where I get them from going forward as a precaution. I even intend to use marine buffer for the baths, something I never ever have done and never ever killed any fish but I intend on doing so going forward.

You may be right about Live Aquaria not being as good as I make them out to be, for me, succeess with them and superb customer service drives my opinion.

Not all wholesalers are the same, one thing is a wholesaler in California, first stop in the journey, fish rest and then sold retail direct to the hobbyist. Another thing a wholesaler in nj that's buys from different places across the Country, more potential for mistreated fish and I am referring to commercial wholesalers such as the one that is located in Palisades Park that only sells to stores.

I am not waging war, I am spreading awareness and for anyone taking their business seriously and for the long term these kind of posts should be taken as constructive criticism and not personal and full of defensive emotion.

GETTING BACK ON TRACK---I take my son to the chain pet stores to look at birds, lizards and hamsters, I never buy anything other than urgently needed dry goods. The retail chain tanks are always always always sick with something, do not buy from them unless you intend on being a nurse for 2 to 4 weeks before you add the fish into your tank because those fish have a hugeeee probability of already being sick.

 

[phil11372]

I made that mistake aswell, I didnt QT a fish and my 2 blue hippo tangs got sick. I setup a 10gallon hospital tank. If you follow the directions on the med's you might get lucky. So far the tangs look fine but I'm not sure if it spread in my main 125. Hard to catch the fish with all the rock. I also added a aqua ultraviolet UV light. They say keep the tank clean and use garlic with the food. The liquid garlic was $30 bucks. Good luck

 

[Imbarrie]

Ich is not the end of a tank.
There are tanks with ich that don't show any signs and there are tanks that have ich and the fish are non susceptible to it.
This proves that keeping fish healthy and ich free can be achieved even in a tank that has ich.
I have heard of neon gobies cleaning ich off fish so I always make sure I keep at least one around. It cleans fish and eats frozen food.
Also keeping your fish eating helps them to defend against catching ich.
I can see ich killing a whole tank, we have heard stories of that. But was that because the tank had no method of controlling parasites? Or could it have not been that healthy to start with?
Granted a QT tank is probably the best way to go. But since we know more reefers don't QT let's discuss alternatives.

 

[albano]

Not all wholesalers are the same, one thing is a wholesaler in California, first stop in the journey, fish rest and then sold retail direct to the hobbyist. Another thing a wholesaler in nj that's buys from different places across the Country fish more potential for mistreated fish.

Correct...not all wholesalers are the same.
the fish from the wholesaler in California, are sold to LFS all over the US...they are sold and shipped ASAP, with very little time to 'rest'...most WS do not sell retail, direct to the hobbyist.
There are many wholesalers on the East coast, that import the fish direct from suppliers, and do not 'buy from different places across the country'.

 

[d5332]

Good point about natural control methods.

I love cleaner gobies, very cute but mine disappeared and I blamed it on the sea urchin because he enjoyed perching on things and the urchin.

I keep 4 cleaner shrimp in my tank because I like them and to hopefully keep things at bay.

The ocean has naturally clean up crews and parasitic controls, your tank should have that as well.

Lots of talk about refugiums but very little about cleaner fish or cleaner inverts to keep parasites in check.

Ich is not the end of a tank.
There are tanks with ich that don't show any signs and there are tanks that have ich and the fish are non susceptible to it.
This proves that keeping fish healthy and ich free can be achieved even in a tank that has ich.
I have heard of neon gobies cleaning ich off fish so I always make sure I keep at least one around. It cleans fish and eats frozen food.
Also keeping your fish eating helps them to defend against catching ich.
I can see ich killing a whole tank, we have heard stories of that. But was that because the tank had no method of controlling parasites? Or could it have not been that healthy to start with?
Granted a QT tank is probably the best way to go. But since we know more reefers don't QT let's discuss alternatives.

 

[earthguy00]

ich

There was a post on saltwater keeping 101 about a few months ago. One of the 20 points they said was NEVER EVER buy fish from Petland.

They have the WORST filtration system money can buy.
I've seen SOOOOO many saltwater fish die from disease there I feel sorry for fishes.

The managements inability to spend better money on their filtration system is the culprit.

Clearly they only care about the mighty dollar.

 

[tangy84]

I feel that if you're water quailty is bad, then the fish SHOWS signs of ich. I have ich in my tank, and I see a spot here and there on the fish, but they are all eating and fat so I leave it alone. one day if a heater breaks and the water gets too cold or too hot. Then I'm sure I will have a tank full of fish either dead or full of ich. And I do not qt.

 

[ruha456]

Qt is the way to go period cause it sucks to go thought the whole ich process no if and or buts about it.

 

[albano]

Why is this thread in the "For Sales/For Trade" forum?

I'd like to sell or trade this thread!

 

[JimmyR1rider]

I don't see why people keep blaming vendors and stores--we all know especially with tangs which are HIGHLY succeptable to ich but also with clowns and any other fish that can have brooklynella and a bunch of other parasitic infections from a store THAT IF WE DO NOT QT ----WE---ARE TAKING A HUGE CHANCE.

I don't have the room technically to QT either BUT until I get my fish in the new tank, I will have no kitchen counter because of a 20G setup that I'm going to use as my QT for my first additions, then I will build a shelf over my chiller and downsize to a 10G and will have it running until my last fish is in.

I'm only going to have 7 fish or so. This is worth it to me and therefor if I happen to NOT qt a fish and my tank gets an outbreak- who's to blame?.......ME

 

[stooops718]

I don't see why people keep blaming vendors and stores--we all know especially with tangs which are HIGHLY succeptable to ich but also with clowns and any other fish that can have brooklynella and a bunch of other parasitic infections from a store THAT IF WE DO NOT QT ----WE---ARE TAKING A HUGE CHANCE.

I don't have the room technically to QT either BUT until I get my fish in the new tank, I will have no kitchen counter because of a 20G setup that I'm going to use as my QT for my first additions, then I will build a shelf over my chiller and downsize to a 10G and will have it running until my last fish is in.

I'm only going to have 7 fish or so. This is worth it to me and therefor if I happen to NOT qt a fish and my tank gets an outbreak- who's to blame?.......ME

Wait, you're gonna have 7 fish in a 10 gallon?

 

[tangy84]

one habit I have adobted and I love it. Is Methylene blue dip. It's great, I got fish that had a fungal infection all over them, I dipped for 30 mins. put them in a small 10g qt for a couple of days that I just set up, and everything is doing very well.

 

[JimmyR1rider]

I don't have the room technically to QT either BUT until I get my fish in the new tank, I will have no kitchen counter because of a 20G setup that I'm going to use as my QT for my first additions, then I will build a shelf over my chiller and downsize to a 10G and will have it running until my last fish is in.

How about instead of wanting to bash someone you actually READ what they wrote?

NO..............I have a 20 gallon as a qt right now because at the time I needed a 20......Got it?....OK next step.......I will be downgrading----THE SIZE OF MY QT TANK FROM 20 TO 10 GALLONS........OK?.........

In my 65G- my new RSM250(my current tank thread) I will have a total of 7 fish in it, all of which 1 at a time WILL BE QT'd IN THAT 10 GALLON.


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