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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070213/ap_on_re_us/dolphin_defenders


Navy may deploy anti-terrorism dolphins

By THOMAS WATKINS, Associated Press Writer Mon Feb 12, 11:04 PM ET


SAN DIEGO - Dozens of dolphins and sea lions trained to detect and apprehend waterborne attackers could be sent to patrol a military base in Washington state, the Navy said Monday. In a notice published in this week's Federal Register, the Navy said it needs to bolster security at Naval Base Kitsap-Bangor, on the Puget Sound close to Seattle.

The base is home to submarines, ships and laboratories and is potentially vulnerable to attack by terrorist swimmers and scuba divers, the notice states.

Several options are under consideration, but the preferred plan would be to send as many as 30 California sea lions and Atlantic Bottlenose dolphins from the Navy's Marine Mammal Program, based in San Diego.

"These animals have the capabilities for what needs to be done for this particular mission," said Tom LaPuzza, a spokesman for the Marine Mammal Program.

LaPuzza said that because of their astonishing sonar abilities, dolphins are excellent at patrolling for swimmers and divers. When a Navy dolphin detects a person in the water, it drops a beacon. This tells a human interception team where to find the suspicious swimmer.

Dolphins also are trained to detect underwater mines; they were sent to do this in the Iraqi harbor of Umm Qasr in 2003. The last time the animals were used operationally in San Diego was in 1996, when they patrolled the bay during the Republican National Convention.

Sea lions can carry in their mouths special cuffs attached to long ropes. If the animal finds a rogue swimmer, it can clamp the cuff around the person's leg. The individual can then be reeled in for questioning.

The Navy is seeking public comment for an environmental impact statement on the proposal.
The Navy wanted to deploy marine animals to the Northwest in 1989, LaPuzza said, but a federal judge sided with animal-rights activists concerned about the effects of cooler water, as well as how the creatures would affect the environment. Water in the Puget Sound is about 10 degrees cooler than in San Diego Harbor, which has an average temperature of about 58 degrees, LaPuzza said.
Since then, the Navy has taken the dolphins and sea lions to cold-water places like Alaska and Scandinavia to see how they cope.

"They did very well," LaPuzza said. If the animals are sent to Washington, the dolphins would be housed in heated enclosures and would patrol the bay only for periods of about two hours.
Stephanie Boyles, a marine biologist and spokeswoman for People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals, said that sea mammals do not provide a reliable defense system, and that they should not be kept in small enclosures.

"We believe the United States' citizens deserve the very best defense possible, and this just isn't it," Boyles said, adding that dolphins are easily distracted once in open water. "They don't understand the consequences of what will happen if they don't carry out the mission."

Dolphins can live as long as 30 years. LaPuzza said the Navy occasionally gives its retired animals to marine parks but generally keeps them until they die of old age.

The Navy has been training marine mammals since the 1960s and keeps about 100 dolphins and sea lions. Most are in San Diego, but about 20 are deployed at Naval Submarine Base Kings Bay, Ga.
The Navy hopes eventually to downsize its marine mammal program and replace the animals with machines.

"But the technology just isn't there yet," LaPuzza said. "The value of the marine mammals is we've been doing this for 35 years, and we've ironed out all the kinks."

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On the Net: Navy Marine Mammal Program, [URL="http://www.spawar.navy.mil/sandiego/technology/mammals/"]http://www.spawar.navy.mil/sandiego/technology/mammals/[/URL]
 
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[SIZE=-1]This is a little excerpt from the Navy site, if you are worried about the treatment of these animals.[/SIZE]
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[SIZE=-1]"The Navy's Marine Mammal Program is an accredited member of the Alliance of Marine Mammal Parks and Aquariums, an international organization committed to the care and conservation of marine mammals. Accreditation by the Alliance means this facility meets or exceeds all the standards of excellence for marine mammal care, husbandry, conservation and education."[/SIZE]
 
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Ya there is a lot more interesting stuff going on with this program. There was a time when they wanted to train the dolphins to ram divers in areas they were patrolling in the middle east after the U.S.S. Cole attack. They were going to target the ribcage and just ram people full speed like they do to sharks normally. I also remember hearing from a friend of mine who was in the Navy that they were playing with the idea of attaching harnesses to the dolphins heads with hypodermic needles they could use to auto inject divers (I have no idea how true this part is, it seems a little involved). BTW I hate PETA, biggest bunch of hypocrites on the planet. Did I mention they were completely nuts? They fund animal rights terrorism and have been linked to murders (of people) so it's hard to take them seriously when they get involved. Their president uses canine derived insulin to stay alive but hey you better not test on animals cuz that is evil!
 

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i guess it's sort of like a bomb sniffing dog but for the water, why not.

i dont know that they would want to train the dolphins to kill people, might not be a good idea in the long run not to mention the risks of 'friendly fire'
 

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i guess it's sort of like a bomb sniffing dog but for the water, why not.

i dont know that they would want to train the dolphins to kill people, might not be a good idea in the long run not to mention the risks of 'friendly fire'

You could stick freakin laser beams on their head.

A movie starring Samuel L Jackson is not behind. "There are mother :bunnies: laser beams on their heads"
 
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It's funny how we work with and respect the intelligence of these animals, while others do not. If PETA is worried about our use and care for these mammals, they should judge our treatment vs. this:

http://www.glumbert.com/media/dolphin

THIS IS GRAPHIC AND VIOLENT. DO NOT VISIT WITHOUT CONSIDERING THIS.

This link is found from a thread on nano-reef.com. It's one of the most disturbing things I have ever seen. I eat meat, wear leather shoes, love my dog, but know he's still a dog even if he is a part of my family, and find PETA nuts. However, I still have my own humane view of how to treat animals, especially those with strong evidence of their intelligence (training a dog as a drug or bomb sniffer is based on a reward system and desire to please their handler, while a dolphin, once released in open water can go wherever they want) and some evidence of self awareness, which is only seen in higher mammalian development. Clearly, from this video clip, it's pretty clear not all societies have the same feelings as I do.

I don't want to hijack this thread, but after reading the nano-reef post earlier this morning, and then seeing this thread, I felt I had to pass this along.

Henry
 

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OH MY GOSH!!! How is that allowed?
We had a few dolphin stuck near the hamptons and we did everytihng we can to help them get free, and look what they do there!

Perhaps considering that Japan is an isolated island and has very little, if any, outside culture, they must have this inner belief that their country can only thrive off the oceans and that they have every right to do what they want. it's one thing to want to eat dolphin, but its another to torture them the way they do. thats just wrong and should be stopped one way or another.
 
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It's funny how we work with and respect the intelligence of these animals, while others do not. If PETA is worried about our use and care for these mammals, they should judge our treatment vs. this:

http://www.glumbert.com/media/dolphin

THIS IS GRAPHIC AND VIOLENT. DO NOT VISIT WITHOUT CONSIDERING THIS.

This link is found from a thread on nano-reef.com. It's one of the most disturbing things I have ever seen. I eat meat, wear leather shoes, love my dog, but know he's still a dog even if he is a part of my family, and find PETA nuts. However, I still have my own humane view of how to treat animals, especially those with strong evidence of their intelligence (training a dog as a drug or bomb sniffer is based on a reward system and desire to please their handler, while a dolphin, once released in open water can go wherever they want) and some evidence of self awareness, which is only seen in higher mammalian development. Clearly, from this video clip, it's pretty clear not all societies have the same feelings as I do.

I don't want to hijack this thread, but after reading the nano-reef post earlier this morning, and then seeing this thread, I felt I had to pass this along.

Henry

Henry this is not towards you ...

Warning this is not for young kids ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

I hope all these FKing ppl die in the meanest way g-d can kill a human .If they should not die fast enuff i hope they suffer for the rest of their lives with no legs and arms ,sry that video sucks and im fking pissed just watching ppl treat an animal like that :irked: im stopping to type ,in fking pissed :irked: :irked: :irked: :irked: I :irked:

I couldnt even watch the video :( :( :( :(
 
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