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EmilyB

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<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by SPC:
<strong>My salinity has been at 1.025 (average reef #
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Have you tried repeatedly blowing them off ?
 

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Posted by Em:
Have you tried repeatedly blowing them off ?

-No I haven't, maybe you or Tan could help with that
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-Righty, if you would, please pay special attention to your snails to make sure they have no adverse reaction to this treatment.
Steve
 
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Hey everyone. I tried the Greenex thing and kept a log of what I did. I am going to put this up on my website, but thought I would put it up here for a peer review. Whaddya think?

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After reading about some success with the use of Greenex as a treatment for flatworms I decided to try it. I have a 50 gallon reef tank that has been set up for 2 years and have had a problem with flatworms for 8 months. I tried siphoning methods, but many of the flatworms are on LPS corals, and they get injured by the siphon. I also tried freshwater dips, but this is not possible with some of the corals in my tank. I kept a log of what I have done in case it is useful to other reefers. I am not a scientist, but I tried to be as thorough as possible. If you have any questions or comments please contact me. Although it seems like this treatment has done the trick for me, attempt it at your own risk.

3:30
Turned off all circulation pumps and main pump. Skimmer was left running but is in sump and only skims when main pump is on.
Mixed 5 drops of Greenex in a cup of tank water. Added to the tank via turkey baster. Targeted at coral with lots of flatworms. The flatworms seemed unhappy and sorta shriveled up.
Fish or corals show no reaction to the Greenex.
3:45
The flatworms seemed the same, but a lot of them were moving. Repeated above with the same results.
Fish or corals still show no reaction to the Greenex.
4:15
Repeated actions of 3:45. Noticed much more motion of flatworms than normal.
Fish or corals still show no reaction to the Greenex.
5:00
Circulation pumps came one.
Noticed two or three flatworms floating listless in the water. When the hit something else in the tank they seemed not to move.
Other flatworms seemed slightly disoriented - lifting the front part of their body, but not seeming to know how to put it down properly.
Fish or corals still show no reaction to the Greenex.
5:15
More floating flatworms, maybe 8, some seem to move a little when they hit the substrate.
Fish or corals still show no reaction to the Greenex.
5:30
Main pump started again. Many flatworms blowing about in the current. Some seem dead, others seem to be trying to swim, but not coordinated. Others seem to be folded in half and twitching in what I hope are death throws.
Fish or corals still show no reaction to the Greenex.
6:00
Caught two flatworms free swimming. Put them in a cup with tankwater and 2 drops of Greenex. The started to swim like crazy then folded in half and did the death throws. They died and soon I could not tell where they were in the cup anymore.
Fish or corals still show no reaction to the Greenex.
6:30
I see much fewer flatworms than before treatment. There are still some here and there, and some that seem kinda healthy on some mushrooms that are far from the target area of the previous treatments. I am thinking of mixing up 5 more drops of Greenex, for a total of 20 drops - them maximum amount I pledged to use in this trial.
6:45
Added the 5 more drops, mixed in tank water, discussed in the 6:30 entry. Turned off main pump again.
Preped Magnum 330 with fresh carbon, 1/2 a polyfilter and foam sleeve filter for later to filter out Greenex and bodies of flatworms and flatworm toxin. Also started airating and heating 5 gallons of NSW for water change.
8:30
Started running the Magnum, but have not done the water change. There are still some flatworms, but only about 5%, or less, of what was there when I started the treatment.

I will add to this log in the next few days to bring it up to date.

Quickie conclusion:
This treatment has seemed to work pretty darn well for me.
It is possible that the flatworms are hiding and just injured - though I do not think this is the case. It is also possible that the treatment will continue to kill the remaining flatworms. The corals, fish and other critters in the tank have shown no bad reactions, and it is possible that the will in the future - though I don't think this the case.

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Righty

Make sure you keep the skimmer and carbon running while you do this, the worms die withing 3-4 hours, so you can get it out of the tank. dont stop the skimmer for oxygen reasons, dont want it to drop, I have read that large amounts of flatworm die off can deplete the oxygen level.Good luck with flatworms.let us know.

David
 

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<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Dr. Reef:
<strong>I"m all about biological controls, and this one has never failed for me:

I just add a 6-line wrasse, and siphon out as many as possible before adding the wrasse. Within a week, if I have gotten all visible flatworms with the siphon, the 6-line has cleaned up the rest and they've never come back. I'll admit that I've only done this in 3 tanks, but it worked every time. And I love 6-line wrasses anyways, just needed an excuse to get some. Don't put more than one in a tank by the way, I have one in each of my 3 tanks. Psychedelic dragonets also keep flatworms at bay. I've never had flatworms exist in a tank with my psychedelic dragonet. I've had my dragonet for 4 years now!!!! In a 55 gallon tank with no visible pods! Don't know where she finds the buggers but she must.

Anyways, try a 6-line or 12-line/8-line as they are all very similar and reef safe.</strong><hr></blockquote>

I've always wanted a Psychedelic Dragonet, but I've been afraid that I wouldn't have enough pods in my tank for it to eat, but with as many flat worms that I have, I'm sure he would have enough to eat, maybe having flat worms isn't so bad after all.
how high of a risk would it be that I got one that doesn't like flatworms?
anyone?
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The reading I have done here and on RC tells me that a dragonet or a 6 line is at best a 10% chance of them eating flat worms. There is definately not enough evidence out there to warrant a dragonet for this purpose.
Steve

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I have brown flatworms with a little red tip. They bloomed for a few weeks and have since subsided. I use the siphon method as well but they are mostly down on the bottom near the sand bed. So, the tubing keeps getting clogged with sand rather than the worms. It does work well if they are on the rocks though. They are largely gone now, although a few stick around eating who knows what.
 

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<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by SPC:
<strong>The reading I have done here and on RC tells me that a dragonet or a 6 line is at best a 10% chance of them eating flat worms. There is definately not enough evidence out there to warrant a dragonet for this purpose.
Steve

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<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by SPC:
<strong>Posted by Em:
-Righty, if you would, please pay special attention to your snails to make sure they have no adverse reaction to this treatment.
Steve</strong><hr></blockquote>

Steve,

The snails seem fine this morning. They and the abolone were crusing around this morning. There did seem to be fewer than usual, but that could be me having no real idea what usual is. I will update tomorrow.

RR
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I hope you got them all.
Even if 10% survived they can come back and you may have greenex-resistant super-mutant FWs.
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My snails didnt suffer even the little critters in the sump had no ill effects. I havent seen a trace of the flatworms at this point.


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<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by SPC:
[QB]The reading I have done here and on RC tells me that a dragonet or a 6 line is at best a 10% chance of them eating flat worms. There is definately not enough evidence out there to warrant a dragonet for this purpose.
Steve

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While I have found this not to be the case with my tank, I agree not to purchase a dragonet for this purpose. Bad idea.

However, 6-lines take readily to flake food and will do some major controlling of the flatworms. They consumed them all in conjunction with siphoning one intial heavy time in 3/3 personal tanks of mine and 5/5 pet store tanks I managed.
 

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I hear ya Brian, I am just going by what I have read on the boards, it seems most of the experiences are that the 6 line did not eat the flatworms.
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Steve, it seems we are in agreement. But I have never read about a 6-line that didn't eat flatworms. Perhaps they did, but they couldn't keep up with the plague proportion populations? I know that there was a 135gal tank at a store I used to frequent that had a 6-line that was as wide as a baseball. Every surface in the tank was yellow/orage from the flatworms, so there was no way the 6-line would have made a dent. But at least it didn't need feedings!

On the other hand, I have always seen them be quite effective. But, I always catch the flatworms within a couple of days, siphon to reduce pops, then add the 6-line to get all non-visible or hidden ones.

In my experience, the 6-line is such a charming and charasmatic fish that it usually doesn't hurt to add one. Again, they are reef safe, small and not taxing to most bio-loads, pretty, and quite active. They will become territorial toward new and SMALLER additions in the future, but if it is a larger fish, or if the 6-line is your last addition, it is a great complement that is worth the try.

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Steve,

The snails seem to be back in force. I guess they had a bad day and were hiding. There are a couple of flatworms left, sos I am going to suck them out cause I don't want super flatworms. Everything else in the tank seems to be doing really well. Go figure.

RR
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I just read something on another group today about pH and flatworm erradication. I can't seem to see where anyone mentioned that here, so I thought I'd just bring it up, in case it is helpful.

I know someone who was running a Ca reactor so his pH was running on the low side. Mine is always 8.2-8.4. I took some rock from him with flatworms and they did not survive. For whatever reason. I just wondered if pH might important in erradication ?
 

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that's funny, I don't know if it's PH but the buggers don't thrive in my seven gal tank at all, I've swapped things back and forth several times between it and my 58 gal. tank, there's defiantly something in the 58 gal. that they need that the seven doesn't have.
 

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a lfs i frequent uses a six line in both there coral tanks that were infested w/FW, within a couple of days the FW were nearly all gone. This was several months ago, there are still a few FW in both tanks but not many at all, BTW they one of the tanks flake and nothing to the other
 
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Bad computer! Bad!

RR

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