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BBReefkeeper

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My Alkalinity is still climbing and I need help lowering it. I've done several searches but I'm still not certain what to do. I increased my effluent rate a few days ago, however Alk is still climbing. Do I increase CO2? Please help me tune my reactor. Here are my reedings.
Calcium dKH
12/14 335 11.2
12/16 360 12.8
12/21 370 13.3
12/27 370 14.7
1/1 390 16+
All tests are done with Salifert
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Bryan
 

esmithiii

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I would add calcium to balance it out

I am not sure what you mean here. Kalkwasser? B-ionic? I mean, he is running a calcium reactor.

Bryan,

Do you dose kalkwasser? What is the pH of your effluent? Is it dripping directly into the tank or into a cup first?

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BBReefkeeper

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I"m not dosing Kalk.
My PH test only goes to 7.4, I'm getting a new one soon. (Red Sea)
The effluent is driping into my sump. It is about 6" off the water so the CO2 doesn't go back to the tank.
I also have a refugium to minimize PH swings.
SO do I adjust the CO2 or effluent rate?
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Bryan
 

esmithiii

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Hard to tell until you can give us the pH of the effluent. You should consider getting a pH monitor.

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BBReefkeeper,

What is your calcium?

CO2 rate and effluent rate should be kept in the same proportion to each other. If you raise one, raise the other, if you decrease one, decrease the other.

If your alkalinity is climing, you are supplying too much to your tank, either turn the reactor off for a couple of days until the DKH falls back into the appropriate range.

When you turn your reactor back on, start out at a lower CO2 rate and lower effluent rate. Check your alkalinity after a few days. When you make adjustments to the reactor, you must adjust both the CO2 and effluent together, both up or both down. Your effluent should be 6.5-7 pH.

Dripping your effluent from above the water in the sump will do little to dissipate the excess CO2. Good water movement and your skimmer should be plenty to gas off any excess CO2.

If your calcium is low, you can use turbo calcium or a similar product to raise it.

I build calcium reactors, and have run many models (including several of my own prototypes), and have never found a pH controller to be necessary. It is a nice luxury, but an occasional check of the effluent pH works just fine for most folks. I always adjust my effluent rate, and then "guesstimate" the CO2 rate. If a bubble of CO2 forms in the top of the reactor, the CO2 rate is too high. If not, I check the pH and make sure it is 6.5-7.
 

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You should consider getting a pH monitor

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build calcium reactors, and have run many models (including several of my own prototypes), and have never found a pH controller to be necessary.

I said pH monitor, not controler. IMO it saves a lot of work on testing both effluent and tank pH.

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My understanding is that as calcium levels go up, alkalinity tends to go down. Try using something like Turbo Calcium or other brand of straight calcium supplement to increase your calcium to the 420 range. Then adjust your reactor to lower the alkalinity it's producing. (Since I don't run and never have run a calcium reactor, I haven't the foggiest idea of how to do that!!
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BBReefkeeper

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This is a continuation from my post yesterday.
Bubble rate = 32 bpm
Media = ARM
Reactor = single chamber
Drip rate reduced to one drip every 2.5 seconds
Efluent calcium = 500

I don't know the PH of the effluent because my tests suck. I don't have a PH monitor. Can you calculate PH from an Alk reading or some other way? My calcium is at 390 and holding, but my Alk has increased past 16. That is the highest the Salifert test will go. Will increasing the drip rate reduce the Alk? Would a steady stream be an effective way to first lower, then slowly turn back to get an appropriate Alk?
Thanks for the help.
Bryan
 

nin0

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I dont understand what that balanced alk/cal is about...does that mean that...thats the true reading of each element?...
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Adam1

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Esmithiii

Sorry. I agree a pH montior is a nice convenience and makes the whole process easier.

BBreefkeeper

If you haven't already, I would suggest turning the reactor off completely until you figure out what is going on. I would get a new pH kit and a new Alk test kit in case your alk kit is out of whak. A 390 calcium is ok, but the increasing alkalinity will cause some to precipitate preventing you from maintaining that level. I would use water changes or a liquid ca additive until the alkalinity is more in line with the ca, and then re-start the reactor.

ninO

When we talk about "balanced" calcium and alkalinity measurements, we are talking about their relative concentration. Calcium and carbonate (one of the contributors to alkalinity) will react with each other at high concentrations, even if only one or the other is high.

So, in BBreefkeepers case, his high alkalinity represents a high concentration of carbonate, which will react with the calcium forming caclium carbonate (aragonite).

This is also why some folks have suggested adding a liquid calcium additive to lower the alkalinity. Doing so would help this process along.

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Turn off the reactor for at least a week. Your problem is simply that you are imputing much more calcium carbonate (etc) than you need. A ph probe would probably give you a reading of 8.6. After your alk levels get back to where you want them, slow down the drip level and/or the bubble count to keep things in balance.

I am very suprised that this doesn't happen to a lot of people running reactors.
 

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