Are flowerpots hard to keep?
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Deadfish,
For you, a gonio may not be hard to keep; for most people it's not only hard, it's impossible.
To echo what Ernie said - don't buy one! The purchase only encourages the store to continue to carry gonios as a regular item (a very bad practice).
Kevin
For you, a gonio may not be hard to keep; for most people it's not only hard, it's impossible.
To echo what Ernie said - don't buy one! The purchase only encourages the store to continue to carry gonios as a regular item (a very bad practice).
Kevin
Alveopora seems to be slightly easier to keep than goniopora, although both have much higher mortality rates than most coral, making buying/importing them less than responsible. There has been success to some extent with them, mostly in tanks with light to no skimming with elevated nutrient levels. Then again there's also a whole bunch of people that have flourishing goniopora in systems that are completely different that that. I don't know, no one knows exactly what you need to keep them. It's up to you if you want to give one a shot, but they're definitely not for me.
BTW, if you go on ebay, apparently all you need is saltwater for them to survive!
BTW, if you go on ebay, apparently all you need is saltwater for them to survive!
<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Anemone:
<strong>Deadfish,
For you, a gonio may not be hard to keep; for most people it's not only hard, it's impossible.
To echo what Ernie said - don't buy one! The purchase only encourages the store to continue to carry gonios as a regular item (a very bad practice).
Kevin</strong><hr></blockquote>
the only reason I say their not hard to keep is for the fact that I have not done anything extra other than the normal procedures required to keep a Reef tank thriving, all though, that in itself can be very challenging to a lot of people, even myself at times.
I admit, the clock is still ticking and the grim reaper I'm sure is staring the poor little thing down waiting for that one moment of weakness to attack, if that does happen I promise everyone that I will not buy another, for that would be a very bad reefing practice.
hey, Joe, next time if you would please, just put a reply to your original post if you want it to go to the top again, just say "^^" or "up" doesn't matter, thanks....
<strong>Deadfish,
For you, a gonio may not be hard to keep; for most people it's not only hard, it's impossible.
To echo what Ernie said - don't buy one! The purchase only encourages the store to continue to carry gonios as a regular item (a very bad practice).
Kevin</strong><hr></blockquote>
the only reason I say their not hard to keep is for the fact that I have not done anything extra other than the normal procedures required to keep a Reef tank thriving, all though, that in itself can be very challenging to a lot of people, even myself at times.
I admit, the clock is still ticking and the grim reaper I'm sure is staring the poor little thing down waiting for that one moment of weakness to attack, if that does happen I promise everyone that I will not buy another, for that would be a very bad reefing practice.
hey, Joe, next time if you would please, just put a reply to your original post if you want it to go to the top again, just say "^^" or "up" doesn't matter, thanks....
I would have to contradict monkeyboy's opinion on alveopora.. I've never had one DOA or die in the store (have had them around for months sometimes) and the majority of regular customers who have bought them have had very good results with them. I believe alveopora to have a much better captive success rate, and people report skeletal growth as well, not just longer polyp expansion that is mistaken for growth.
I would have to agree with jeremy on alveopora. I have had mine for 2 years......it was purchased from jeff's. For the most part I feed my tank only flake. My alveopora has grown significantly. and has great polip extention. My marron clown has adopted it as a host(much to my dismay) but so far I see no harm.
for the first 1-1/2 years it was under pc lighting. it is now under MH.
I feed my tank twice a day and I have a very large pod population wich may acount for the sucsess with aveopora.
in the same tank I did try a green blue goneopora with no sucsess. it lasted about a year. after a few months it started to recede....it then reclamed some sceleton and after a few months started to recede again and never recovered. BTW the goneopra was a gift and I would not purchase one or recomend one to anyone.
I have tried to figure out what lead to the temporary recovery but can not be sure. I believe it may have to do with the changing over to a more eficient skimmer.
I would like to see more research done into a lagoon system (flora, fauna ect.). I think think this type of system would have the best chance for success.
Bob
for the first 1-1/2 years it was under pc lighting. it is now under MH.
I feed my tank twice a day and I have a very large pod population wich may acount for the sucsess with aveopora.
in the same tank I did try a green blue goneopora with no sucsess. it lasted about a year. after a few months it started to recede....it then reclamed some sceleton and after a few months started to recede again and never recovered. BTW the goneopra was a gift and I would not purchase one or recomend one to anyone.
I have tried to figure out what lead to the temporary recovery but can not be sure. I believe it may have to do with the changing over to a more eficient skimmer.
I would like to see more research done into a lagoon system (flora, fauna ect.). I think think this type of system would have the best chance for success.
Bob
I agree with the above comment on alveopora. I would also add that the red gonipora seem to do much better than the others. Currently I have 2 red gonipora which are in close contact with each other doing well and a third small colony derived from one of the larger colonies. These are going on 2+ yrs. Both of which I got from cquarium.
<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Jeremy Russell:
<strong>I would have to contradict monkeyboy's opinion on alveopora.. I've never had one DOA or die in the store (have had them around for months sometimes) and the majority of regular customers who have bought them have had very good results with them. I believe alveopora to have a much better captive success rate, and people report skeletal growth as well, not just longer polyp expansion that is mistaken for growth.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Interesting, I've had probably the same amount of death of alveopora as goniopora at the shop, we haven't ordered any alveopora again for months. Maybe we're getting them from a crappy collector, not sure. In the shop, the goniopora that we were stuck with always looked fantastic, even after hanging around for a few months. Don't get me wrong though, they still die, but I have pulled many a dead alveopora. Several customers I have talked to have had poor success with the coral, even some w/ goniopora in the same system.
From what i've read (FWIR?) and have experienced, the red colored goniopora generally does much better than the others, namely goniopora stokesi seems to do worst. Sprung addressed this in FAMA a few months ago. We try to order the red stuff, but usually a nice fat green stokesi gets shipped...
[ January 04, 2002: Message edited by: monkeyboy ]</p>
<strong>I would have to contradict monkeyboy's opinion on alveopora.. I've never had one DOA or die in the store (have had them around for months sometimes) and the majority of regular customers who have bought them have had very good results with them. I believe alveopora to have a much better captive success rate, and people report skeletal growth as well, not just longer polyp expansion that is mistaken for growth.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Interesting, I've had probably the same amount of death of alveopora as goniopora at the shop, we haven't ordered any alveopora again for months. Maybe we're getting them from a crappy collector, not sure. In the shop, the goniopora that we were stuck with always looked fantastic, even after hanging around for a few months. Don't get me wrong though, they still die, but I have pulled many a dead alveopora. Several customers I have talked to have had poor success with the coral, even some w/ goniopora in the same system.
From what i've read (FWIR?) and have experienced, the red colored goniopora generally does much better than the others, namely goniopora stokesi seems to do worst. Sprung addressed this in FAMA a few months ago. We try to order the red stuff, but usually a nice fat green stokesi gets shipped...
[ January 04, 2002: Message edited by: monkeyboy ]</p>
I agree that Alveopora can be kept reasonably successfully. I have had a colony for 18-24 months. Moderate lighting and low to moderate water flow seem to be important for success. Mine was initially placed close to 400W MH and high water current and did not fair very well until I moved it.
My experience with goniopora is that the red/pink as well as the purple varieties are more likely to survive long-term than the common green version which are normally sold. None of them seem to be overly hardy and should not be recommended, especially for a beginner tank.
--- Ken
My experience with goniopora is that the red/pink as well as the purple varieties are more likely to survive long-term than the common green version which are normally sold. None of them seem to be overly hardy and should not be recommended, especially for a beginner tank.
--- Ken
Ginopora I think gets a bad rap. I skim 24/7. they are under 800w of PC lighting. I have three ginoporas all from diffrent suppliers. all three were rescued from dying. Two have 100% regrowth of dead tissue. here is this pic in july all still doing well. Ginopora's Left (Green) Feb 2000 in the tank, Middle ( Neon Green) Oct 2000, And the right one (Red) July 2000. Pic Taken July 2001
[ January 05, 2002: Message edited by: Alf3482 ]</p>
[ January 05, 2002: Message edited by: Alf3482 ]</p>
<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by esmithiii:
<strong>Deadfish:
How long have you had your Goniopora?
E</strong><hr></blockquote>
I've lost track of time but I believe it's been around 8 or 9 months now, not quite a year yet for sure, I keep it down on the sand bead on the low current side, that away its not bashed around to much by the current.
I really haven’t noticed a lot of new growth, just a steady survival.
<strong>Deadfish:
How long have you had your Goniopora?
E</strong><hr></blockquote>
I've lost track of time but I believe it's been around 8 or 9 months now, not quite a year yet for sure, I keep it down on the sand bead on the low current side, that away its not bashed around to much by the current.
I really haven’t noticed a lot of new growth, just a steady survival.
Also I thought I would add this. I am doing it way diffrent than I have read that they like. I have read the following research:
1 keep them in low light. I keep mine at the top of the tank under 800watt.
2 keep them on the sand. I keep mine on top of the rock structure.
3 they like dirty tanks. I skimm 24/7 i grow macro in the sump.
1 keep them in low light. I keep mine at the top of the tank under 800watt.
2 keep them on the sand. I keep mine on top of the rock structure.
3 they like dirty tanks. I skimm 24/7 i grow macro in the sump.
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