SOUTHDOWN PROBLEMS?????????

[Alex1]

I have 350 lbs of southdown in my tank. I had a red slime in the begining but I used erithromycine to kill it. Works well. I used it with fish, LPS and soft corals in my tank with no ill effect to anything.

Alex

 

[ReefStar]

I have 400lbs of Southdown in my 125 for over 9 months now. I never had any cyano bloom of any sort since I added the sand. The only complaint I have is that it gets blown over my rocks near the bottom of the tank because it is such a fine grain.

Joe

 

[RichMacys]

Its great that everyone thinks that Carrib-Sea is better, but how do you think they get the sand. They dont scoop it off the beach. Raw materials have to come from somewhere. Most companies that mine any material or create any sort of product from raw material create pollution. Just had to chime in on that one.

 

[cgbexec]

Hi everyone,

Aragonite sand is mined from only one place in the world, Sandy Cay Bahamas. I was just there a month ago. This sand is sold for many purposes including, play sand, concrete, glass making, and sold to us reefers. Several square miles of reefs have been destroyed in the minning of this sand. Unfortunatlly when resources are collected, some damage is done to the environment. Aragonite sand has been collected in the Bahamas for 50 or 60 years. If South Down sand is really Aragonite then they are buying it, not minning it, unless they own the minning operation in Sandy Cay.

Chris

 

[MattM]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Stars360:
<STRONG>What enviromental lawsuits.</STRONG><HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Here are some links:

http://www.greenlink.org/gec/southdown/
http://www.stoptmc.org/southdown_usa.htm

There are a lot more. Southdown seems to be involved in a lawsuit just about everywhere it has a facility! A search for "southdown lawsuit" on Yahoo turned up 67 hits.

This one is good reading, and don't miss paragraphs 8 and 9 in this one about the land sale.

 

[EmilyB]

Actually, RichMacys, that is not true, and you should not ever accept those standards.

My husband works for a magnesium refinery just outside of a national park (Banff, Canada). The environmental standards placed upon the plant are excruciating. With good reason.

 

[EmilyB]

And to be precise, I thank James Deets for bringing this all out in the open originally,
as we all need to know this kind of crap goes on. But you would be VERY surprised to know how many people cared to listen...

 

[MattM]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by RichMacys:
<STRONG>Most companies that mine any material or create any sort of product from raw material create pollution. Just had to chime in on that one.</STRONG><HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

If you read the links I posted, you'll see that all of Southdown's pollution problems are related to their cement operations. I beleive what EmilyB was pointing out was the general behavoir of the company, not any specific problems with their sand mining/processing.

I have to say that after reading the lawsuit details, I am hesitant to buy any of their products. Yes, most companies pollute to some extent, but Southdown appears to deliberately flaunt the law. In Ohio they sold a polluted lot to two asset-less corporations that they set up just for this purpose, and did it two days before they were scheduled to appear before a federal judge. And then said that since they no longer own the property, they have no responsibility to clean it up!

 

[reefaquariums]

cgbexec,

You meantioned aragonite is only mined in the bahamas. This is about the biggest lie I have ever read. Aragonite is calcium carbonite (CaCO3). It is formed in many different environments. Limestone for one contains a good amount of it. Its most interesting formation is seen many places throughout the US. Hot springs with heavy mineral laden water are a big producer of such deposits. Coral reefs do not have a monopoly on aragonite production. Nor do they on mining as well.

 

[95galReef]

I've been batteling red slime ever since I added SD also, Never had it before either, NEVER.

 

[Jeff Hood]

Well I wonder if the cyano is more related to the estabilishment of a dsb than the sand itself. I set up a 75 gallon tank with a caribsea DSB and had a cyano bloom that lasted for about 4 months. I never had a cyano problem before also but I also never had a DSB either. It finaly cleared up by itself. I doubt I will have any problems with the southdown I am adding to a refugium later this month.

Jeff

 

[esmithiii]

I had SD in my 55 (up 2 yrs, 1+ w/ SD sand) and now in my 180 (5 months) without any issues.

Ernie