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KenH

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On the Neon Goby thing, they do fine in the normal reef aquarium at normal reef temperatures. Mine are kept in the 79-81 range. They are naturally short-lived though and may only last about a year naturally.

As mentioned, they will also take prepared foods like flake, brine shrimp, etc. as long as it is fairly small. I personally haven't tried cleaner shrimp and wrasses, because I have heard that they will not necessarily take other foods and will die when the parasites are gone.

In my one experience with neons and disease, several fish including my hippo came down with something that was introduced on a new fish. It was not quite ick, but similar. There were spots, but they were fuzzier than normal ick and amost looked like a form of velvet. In this instance, the neons cleaned up any signs of the disease within a few days and all affected fish recovered just fine. That was a couple of months ago and the way that the apparently healthy fish still seem to enjoy visiting the cleaning station for a once over makes me think that the neons will definitely help to prevent any new major outbreak of parasites whether it be ick or something else. Since I find it basically impossible to catch fish in my tank for treatment, I am happy to potentially find a more natural method of disease control.

The only fish in my tank that seem to really enjoy the cleaners attention and go to the station to be cleaned are the tangs and I wonder if they perhaps naturally have a stronger bond with cleaners in the wild as well.

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Thanks for the taking the time to give me detailed info on the freshwater dip. I am going to save in case I need it in the future
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A freshwater dip actually kills the ich and also small parasites on your fish' body. It works through osmosis (was that the term? high school biology is a long way off). Basically, when you have two liquids and a permeable membrane between them, the two liquids will equalize themselves by passing water molecules through the membrane (the same concept that powers reverse osmosis filters with the membranes, they allow smaller water molecules to pass through, but not larger sodium, phosphate, etc. molecules). In the case of saltwater versus freshwater, the freshwater will invade the saltwater body in an attempt to equalize the salinities. In small parasites like ich, this will cause them to more or less explode. This is why your fish get so distressed when you dip them. Freshwater is invading their bodies and causing them to expand at a very quick rate. Obviously, this can be very painful, and can kill your fish as well. Some fish can take it better than others, and some fish can survive a permanent change (for example mollies). Think of it like this, a freshwater dip is like taking a syringe full of liquid and injecting that liquid into a full balloon until it explodes. That's what you're trying to accomplish with the freshwater dip and parasites.

By the way, I might have all of this backwards, it has been a very long time since high school biology (plus, I slept during that class). If it is backwards, just reverse everything I said to understand the freshwater dip.

By the way, I don't see how methylene blue in the water can help. Boosting the oxygen in the water might make breathing easier, but the fish is still being put through the same process. But, you never know.
 

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Exploding ich sounds good to me
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but it really sounds painful for the fish. When this is done knowing that ich is still in the tank, can the stress of the dip cause the fish to maybe get it again, possible a little worse ?? Thanks for the info Dave
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I have only done freshwater dips for fish that I have purchased and am adding to my tank (I don't quarantine fish, it's too much added stress in my opinion). On the few occasions where I have dipped a fish from my tank, it has already been so far gone that the dip has not helped. I suppose if you took a fish out, dipped it, then put it back in, it could possibly get the ich back right away. Not sure on this though. Good question.
 

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By the way, I don't see how methylene blue in the water can help. Boosting the oxygen in the water might make breathing easier, but the fish is still being put through the same process. But, you never know.

One benefit of the methylene blue is that it darkens the water. This is supposed to have a calming effect on the fish. Actually, I got my methylene blue at the LFS. It was marketed as a cure for ich. I think the debate on it is about as fierce as the debate on garlic, although Fenner swears by it.
 

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Yeeee Haaaaaw ..... that is a Texan not paying attention that there were 2 pages to the post and thinking that the fist reply didnt work
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Well I just typed about a 4 page 30 minute response to the thread and lost it when I posted. So now you only get the condensed version.
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GARLIC GOOD.
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