Easy decision if you ask me. Go to Inlandreef and check out their demo Giesemann and Aqualine Bushke setups. I was in the same boat as you are. But after seeing them in action, the choice was very easy. THe hard thing for me was getting over the "wattage factor". I literally had it drilled into my head that you need alot of watts to get a high PPFD factor and intensity. Not so with the double ended HQI bulbs. They are the best thing going for lighting IMO.
hqi metal halide?????
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I WILL CHECK IT OUT. I HOPE TOM GIVES YOU A GREAT DEAL NEXT TIME IN. GREAT SALES PITCH! I WAS THERE LAST WEEK AND DID NOT SEE THAT LIGHT. NOW I'M EVEN MORE CONFUSED 150-250. MAYBE TOM CAN SHED A LITTLE LIGHT ON IT!(NO PUN INTENDED)
THANK YOU FOR THE HEADS UP!
THANK YOU FOR THE HEADS UP!
No problem! Juswt make sure you tell em Ritteri&Bubbles sent ya! :twisted:
BTW the pendants werent there last week, as they just started carrying the products. I think they have sold every single piece they have gotten in practically,so I would make it a priority to check em out soon. A very hot product from what I have seen. THey sold the first 2 250's, then I bought 4 150's, and a few days ago Tom sold another pair of pendants to somebody when I was in the store. And I know they have gotten a few email and phone inquiries too. Very hot product.
BTW the pendants werent there last week, as they just started carrying the products. I think they have sold every single piece they have gotten in practically,so I would make it a priority to check em out soon. A very hot product from what I have seen. THey sold the first 2 250's, then I bought 4 150's, and a few days ago Tom sold another pair of pendants to somebody when I was in the store. And I know they have gotten a few email and phone inquiries too. Very hot product.
The Double Ended bulbs do throw out excessive UV rays and do have to be used with an enclosed canopy. But im sure if you buy a light fitting for a DE HQI you will defenately have some sort of UV shileding with it.
I got a quote for a 3 x 250W Aqualine HQI DE Space light. £1500 :evil:
I got a quote for a 3 x 250W Aqualine HQI DE Space light. £1500 :evil:
I would go with 250w AB HQI DE's in a high quality fixture or pendants. If you can suppliment with some VHO actinic you will be very happy with the color. I'm using 2x150w HQI DE's plus 220w VHO actinic over a 72g and its a great combo IMO. Double ended is the way to go if you are buying new.
For those of you wondering what HQI stands for here's a link to a pretty extensive explanation.
For those of you wondering what HQI stands for here's a link to a pretty extensive explanation.
WELL I NOW HAVE TO DECIDE BETWEEN ICECAP AND PFO PENDANT(THEY HAVE A BIGGER PENDANT BUT IVE HEARD SOME BAD WORDS ABOUT THE SPREAD OF LIGHT) AND THE GIESEMANN VERY SMALL REFLECTOR (GOOD IN SOME WAYS) BUT I HAVE NO LONG TERM INFO.
THEN THE REEFSTAR I DONT HAVE MUCH INFO ON.
I DONT WANT TO DO THIS AGAIN NEXT YEAR. BUT THE GOOD NEWS IS I'M PRETTY SURE THEY WILL BE 250W. IF ANYONE HAS SOME GOOD SITES FOR THESE IT WOULD BE GREAT!!!!!!!
I CAN GET THE GIESEMANN FOR AROUND 1200$ COMPLETE
AND THE ICE CAP AND PFO FOR AROUND 1050$ COMPLETE
AND THE PFO BAL. WITH PENDANT 970$ COMPLETE
AND THE REEFSTAR FOR AROUND 990$ COMPLETE
THATS 3 250W HQI BALLASTS AND PENDANTS AND 10K BULBS.
THEN THE REEFSTAR I DONT HAVE MUCH INFO ON.
I DONT WANT TO DO THIS AGAIN NEXT YEAR. BUT THE GOOD NEWS IS I'M PRETTY SURE THEY WILL BE 250W. IF ANYONE HAS SOME GOOD SITES FOR THESE IT WOULD BE GREAT!!!!!!!
I CAN GET THE GIESEMANN FOR AROUND 1200$ COMPLETE
AND THE ICE CAP AND PFO FOR AROUND 1050$ COMPLETE
AND THE PFO BAL. WITH PENDANT 970$ COMPLETE
AND THE REEFSTAR FOR AROUND 990$ COMPLETE
THATS 3 250W HQI BALLASTS AND PENDANTS AND 10K BULBS.
I did a lot of shopping for my set-up and www.oceanencounter.com definetly has the best prices.25gator":2lc5pblg said:
HTH
Mouse":1g1ggd99 said:
HQI stands for "High Quartz Iodide" and is actually a registered trademark of Osram Sylvania, nothing more. They are available in both single and double ended lamps, straight out of my product catalog.
Other companies may make other "HQI" lamps, but they aren't true HQI being that it is a trademark. Therefore calling Aqualine DE lamps, Ushio DE lamps, or any other lamp not produced by or for Osram is not a HQI. THey are simply DE metal halide lamps. Due to gaseous composition, and the fact that they are designed to run on european spec ballasts they run optimally on the "HQI" ballast.
Here's another interesting tidbit. 400w "HQI" ballasts are not manufactured in the US, nor is there and ANSI denotation for one that I have been able to find. I believe the common "HQI" 400w sold in the US is the M135 Pulse Start MH ballast. According to Osram, the proper ballast to operate 400w HQI is the ANSI S-51AG, more commonly known as a 400w HPS ballast.
There are ANSI codes for 70, 150, and 250w models. M85DC, M81AJ, and M80DR respectively. There is no 400w "HQI ballast". At least if there is, Universal (Magnatek), Advance, Sola, Howard...ect, none of them make it.
-Perry
By the way...as a tease.....within the next two months, there is going to be a new alternative to PFO mini-pendants. Vince at Oceanencounters has the scoop, so you guys will have to ask him or your current lighting provider for info. I am not in a position to say more due to board rules. 
-Perry
-Perry
There already is a much better alternative than the PFO mini pendants. The Giesemann Nova II pendants from www.inlandreef.com No secret here.
HQI double ended bulbs are the very best in my opinion. I have a 2x150 aquastarlight on a 70. Bright (!), great color, bulbs last at least a year, you can keep anything with them, fairly low power consumption. Reasonably speaking, what more could you ask for?
A 150w 10k double ended HQI blows away a 175w 10k mogul base and is brighter than many 250w mogul base bulbs.
Did I mention they are bright?!
A 150w 10k double ended HQI blows away a 175w 10k mogul base and is brighter than many 250w mogul base bulbs.
Did I mention they are bright?!
the giesemann pendants are scaring me. cant find anyone else with them long term, 1year or more. and the price is more. they should let you try one for a week, and see if you like it. call it a test drive! 1200$ is an investment. and i have no idea what it will look like over my tank! what if its still not enough. how do i justify another 1200$. i will buy one and see but thats still 400$ wasted! still trying to decide. please help!!!! or put me out of my misery.
The Giesemann 150 DE pendants are brighter than most 400 watt bulbs. And their PAR value is the absolute best, watt for watt! Look at it this way. A single AB 10k bulb has a PPFD of about 250 with a magnetic ballast. The New 400 watt Iwasaki bulb has about a 250-275 PPFD rating(both ratings are with reflector and UV shield). THe 150 DE bulb is almost equal to the Iwasaki using almost 2/3's less energy.
Now throw this in: Using 2 150 DE pendants, your(the 250 DE's BTW dont really give any more PPFD's than the 150 DE's so its kind of a waste of electricity in one sense) getting about 500 PPFD which is almost double what a new Iwasaki 400 watt bulb can do. And you're still using 100 watts less of electricity!Now add this even, using 3 150DE bulbs your using about the same energy as an Iwasaki and your PPFD rating(about 750) is almost triple a single Iwasaki 400 watt lamp! The DE bulb is the best bulb watt for watt bar none. And they last roughly 18 months, are relatively cheap(can be found for $79 online), can give you substantial savings on your electrical bill, and best of all they dont look like ol' Betsy from the Budweiser plant just took a large piss in your tank!
These are the only lights I know of that have no honest downside.
Now throw this in: Using 2 150 DE pendants, your(the 250 DE's BTW dont really give any more PPFD's than the 150 DE's so its kind of a waste of electricity in one sense) getting about 500 PPFD which is almost double what a new Iwasaki 400 watt bulb can do. And you're still using 100 watts less of electricity!Now add this even, using 3 150DE bulbs your using about the same energy as an Iwasaki and your PPFD rating(about 750) is almost triple a single Iwasaki 400 watt lamp! The DE bulb is the best bulb watt for watt bar none. And they last roughly 18 months, are relatively cheap(can be found for $79 online), can give you substantial savings on your electrical bill, and best of all they dont look like ol' Betsy from the Budweiser plant just took a large piss in your tank!
These are the only lights I know of that have no honest downside.
25gator: The Giesemann pendants have been in Germany a long time. But have only just been recnetly introduced here within the last month or 2 I believe. THey are a well known respected company in Germany. And they have top notch build quality.
As for the last reply, are you talking about a new ballast??? You mean the new Icecap unit?
As for the last reply, are you talking about a new ballast??? You mean the new Icecap unit?
R&B,
Have you ever seen a 250w aqualine DE bulb running? There is no comparison to the 150w DE aqualine.. the 250 blows it away.
I believe the poster is looking for something that can go inside his canopy. Something with a remote ballast is going to be a much better option due to heat issues, downside being the PFO minis have bad spread.
Have you ever seen a 250w aqualine DE bulb running? There is no comparison to the 150w DE aqualine.. the 250 blows it away.
I believe the poster is looking for something that can go inside his canopy. Something with a remote ballast is going to be a much better option due to heat issues, downside being the PFO minis have bad spread.
Yeah, I saw the 250 DE's, I wasnt completely impressed after Tom at Inland ran a Lux test on em, the Giesemann pendants are a much better buy than the Aqualine's IMHO as the 250 watt versions were only about 10 percent "brigher" than the 150 Nova II pendants, and I think some of this may have to do with the reflector being inferior,but the funny thing was too that when Tom did a lux test on the Aqualine Starlight 2x250 fixture, he had some indirect light going into the meter from the other 250 bulb on the fixture which may have jacked the lux readings a bit. Considering what they draw for current. I find the 150's the best bulb watt for watt. And the PPFD on the 250's looks to be about the same as the 150's. Almost a waste of wattage. But referencing this test from Sanjay Joshi:http://www.animalnetwork.com/fish2/aqfm/1999/dec/features/2/default.asp , and his recent article in Marine Reef and Fish 2002 Annual shows the 250 DE's and the 150 DE's PPFD value to overall be about equal. And after talking with Matt and Tom at Inlandreef aquarium, both have stated to me that a 3x150 will have a higher PPFD than a 2x250, even though its down 50 watts in consumed power. This to me shows that the 150 DE is the best bulb watt for watt overall. But in all honesty any of the DE setups are nice to have period. I just find the combination of the GIesemann pendants with the DE 150 watt bulbs is the absolut best bang period for lighting ratio to power consumed.
jeremy, you hit it on the head!
that is one of my concerns. the spread. will it spread just as good as my baby 175 normal mh. do now, they cover the entire tank, not to many shadows, and the shadows i have are from the 2 blue line bulbs at the end not being as bright as the german one in the middle. "note too self blue line SUCK"
but will the giesemann be able to cover entire tank when there in a canopy approx. 11.5 off the water from the bulb, less from the bootom of pendent?
i was very impressed with the look of the giesemann pendant but it is very small ( thus my concern with spread)
i have not seen the pfo up close but it looks bigger, but it only reflects on 2 sides(i believe)
i did like the color of the giesemann bulb looked between german 10k and blue line. crisp white, blue hue. hard to tell on the floor of the store!
that is one of my concerns. the spread. will it spread just as good as my baby 175 normal mh. do now, they cover the entire tank, not to many shadows, and the shadows i have are from the 2 blue line bulbs at the end not being as bright as the german one in the middle. "note too self blue line SUCK"
but will the giesemann be able to cover entire tank when there in a canopy approx. 11.5 off the water from the bulb, less from the bootom of pendent?
i was very impressed with the look of the giesemann pendant but it is very small ( thus my concern with spread)
i have not seen the pfo up close but it looks bigger, but it only reflects on 2 sides(i believe)
i did like the color of the giesemann bulb looked between german 10k and blue line. crisp white, blue hue. hard to tell on the floor of the store!
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