Every time...Every single time.....

[saltcritter]

8O

Never! touch bed/DSB. 8O

Are you weekly cleaning the prefilters?

Is you bio at to high level in sump or rock washoff? :wink:

Clean out your bio load.

I bet you are useing a canister?

Clean that crap out and forget your tank insides. You can check your water all day long and that is not your troubles.
It is your pre and can filters/or bio rock. You have built you a monster behind the seans,
Leave tank alone and clean out your bio. If running a fluid or refug, dump it all/clean it out and start again.

Drop a tsp of arm and Hammer bs in ounce a day untill fish breath is back/less stress is achieved.

Keep out of the tank. Never touch your tanks insides, they never need this.

Work on a better bio-system yours is building up a monster. Double you water sump volume and bio media and clean it out weekly and or bi-weekly for excesses. :roll:

In the real ocean, does god stick his hand in a occashionally shake things around a little?, NOpe!!!!!!!!

Problem solved, NEXT!!!, ding ding ding. :wink:

By the way? Do you Vortex, Diatom?
Long hour useage and or more than a couple times a month can depleat C02 from your H20 and bio. You you see white film on glass?
Use duel air pump in your bio chambers.


"With an Open mind and a caring heart, we can All Fathom our Reality"
tm/mt-myself

 

[Anonymous]

With that many cleanup critters in a 125, I see no reason to vacuum the gravel. And I don't see much reason to do water changes as long as the nitrates stay at 0 and you aren't losing some of your other important trace elements. Even if you are, you have no corals, so I'm not sure that it's a big problem anyway.

 

[Reeffan1]

HELLO ALL :lol:


I will take all everyones advise, I added banking soda to the tank.....I will clean carbon filters bi-weekly instaed of monthly......I vacuum the gravel beacuse I read we needed to vacuum it my sand is clean. My source of water comes from public to the R/O filter....No I do not have canister filters. People also think It might be the salt ( instant Ocean ) ? Cause when I just use top of water they never stress.....MY clown is now lying on th corner breathing heavy I hope he makes it........NO MORE WATER CHANGES for me......I think I'm just going to use top off water when it evaporates......and all those fish I lost were always after a water changes...........My tank looks sqeakly clean it seems like I can drink the water from it.....But after the water change and vacuuming it gets kind of cloudy. Any more ideas please let me know

THANKS FOR ALL YOUR GUYS HELP I REALLY APPRECIATE IT :lol:

 

[ophiuroid]

Do you use buckets? The mix sits for 2 days...where do you put it during this time?

Do you ever test the water immediately after a water change...do you observe any spike in ammonia or anything in the hours/days after? I certainly wouldn't bother with vacuuming the sand, but I am not convinced that is the problem. I don't see why they would stress out so quickly unless you are stirring up hydrogen sulfide or something. Seems unlikely. I am wondering what is getting into your water in the buckets. If it was teh salt mix itself, I don't think this would be an uncommon problem and Instant Ocean wouldn't survive.

Does your top off water sit out or do you use that immediately? Does it go into the same buckets as the mix water?

I just think there are probably lots of people who still vacuum the sand and don't have these problems. Sudden deaths of otherwise long term healthy inhabitants (fish only?) seems to me to be something a little more nasty.

 

[SPC]

Posted by Reeffan:

150 - ASTREA SNAILS
75 - TURBO SNAILS
100 - BLUE LEGED HERMIT CRABS
100 - MEXICAN HERMIT CRABS
36 - SCARLET REEF CRABS
50 - NERITE SNAILS

- I am wondering if your tests are accurate. The reason I say this is that in order to keep these animals alive for any period of time would take one heck of alot of food. If you are reading 0 nitrates then something is not adding up for me. Just the algae alone for this amount of snails would be quite large. :?
Steve

 

[Anemone]

This thing is very weird. It sounds like a classic poisoning event. If your tank was overstocked, it might relate to stirring up the detritus in the CC bed and the resulting lowered oxygen levels due to bacterial activity, but you said it has happened with both CC vacuuming and without, so that would seem to be out. BTW, IMO, with CC you need to vacuum, no matter how many hermits you may have - CC is a real gunk sink if not cleaned regularly, not like a properly functioning DSB.

I'd look toward either your source water, or your salt mix. How long since you replaced your RO membranes - and where did you get the membranes (some are treated with an ani fungal agen that needs to be rinsed out before use for aquariums)? How old is your salt mix, and do you store it where there might be some inadvertant contamination (pesticides, perhaps)? Also, what do you store your make up water in while mixing - any possibility of something leaching from the container or otherwise contaminating the water?

Kevin

 

[danmhippo]

You indicated your alkalinity is 8.4? I think you meant Ph 8.4. How about alkalinity readings for both tank and replacement water?

BTW, I also think the problem is not on the water change itself, but would have more to do with disturbing the DSB. Whenever I disturbe my DSB, I will have either algae bloom, bad sulfur odor for a couple of days, or both.

 

[Anonymous]

Anemone

with CC you need to vacuum, no matter how many hermits you may have - CC is a real gunk sink if not cleaned regularly, not like a properly functioning DSB

His first post said he had 5" deep with live sand. If he had crushed coral with that much livestock he'd probably have worse problems.

 

[Anonymous]

Reeffan-
do you get a stress reaction from your fish when you 'mess around' in the tank w/o doing a water change?or is it only when doing the actual change?

from my understanding-your problem seems to be connected directly to the change, since even when you do not disturb the sand, you have the problem.

there is either something going on with the new water, or there is a factor in the tank that's exacerbated by, or in conjunction with, the water change.

this should not be happening.

have you tried running polyfilters in your tank, and pre filtering your new water with polyfilter, too? if the causative agent is a heavy metal, or other toxin, this may help.

 

[Reeffan1]

Hello All again


My water test are accurate.......I have tried diffrent test.....same results......for the water changed I use a old Instant Ocean bucket that had salt, with the top.....I use the same bucket to top off my tank with water........I have no issue with the feeding Hermit crabs are easy to feed ( squash, roni seaweed, romaine lettuce, spinach..flake food, frozen brine shrimp, alage wafers) They eat everything up.....I let the water sit under the aquarium for 2 days and it is sealed. When I mix the sand I do get a fowl smell..........I have tested the water after a water change......everything tests fine.....it just gets cloudy for about an hour. Ny tank has never been over stocked. The largest fish I have right now is my Tang 4 inches every other fish avarage about 2 inches. My fish dont stress until after the water change.

THANKS AGAIN :roll:

 

[ToddinAtl]

Hi Reeffan,

When you mix your water change water..you say you're sealing it and letting it sit for a couple days?..I will assume then that the water is not circulating or being ariated in any way...This could be your problem. Maybe you're adding water that is oxegen depleted, but with your size tank I would doubt this to be the case...Maybe try leaving a powerhead in the water change bucket with an airstone next time and see what happens.

Just a thought,
Todd

 

[ReefLion]

Look to the sand!! The saaaaaaaaannnnnnndddd........

Sorry that's my crazy old man voice coming out. I really do think your problems are resulting from vacuuming rather than water changes. Water changes are good. Vacuuming sand bed is bad. Try one without the other and see what happens.

Tim