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cdeakle

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I'm now on my second mandarin, lost the first one due to it being caught with cyanide :evil:

My new guy isn't as phattened up as I would like him to be. I have tons of copepods and enough LR. I do see him scavenging and eating throughout the day. How do I phatten him up?? I really dont like how skinny he appears to be.....
 
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my 2 like zooplex....i also feed baby brine and daphnia....i'm not sure if they got to it but my female is honestly the fattest mandarin i've ever seen....i'm starting to get concerned for her, but they did spawn again last night...
 
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mine don't seem to eat anything out of the water column, they prefer to eat from the sand or pic the rock, but after a small zooplex dose, i definitely noticed their "picking" increased....btw, hours ago i gave my buddy a sample of zooplex....tonight he's going to take a look at it under the microscope....the bottle doesn't mention the specific type off zooplankton and i'm curious if it's one species or many...he should be able to identify if it's copepods or not...i'll post his 'results' tomorrow..
 

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I feed live brine to mine, he ate that from day 1 and now he has switched to frozen mysis and live brine.
Kaye
 
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that's cool, i couldn't get mine to eat live brine...how big is your mandarin special K
 
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A quote from GreshamH (a fish wholesaler or importer, IIRC):
"Mandarins aren't caught with cyanide (and never have been), they don't respond to it. They clam up and are protected by their major mucus coating. The way they catch them, is by poking a needle thru their dorsal fin and holding them down in the sand/reef until they can be collected. The main problem with Mandarins is starvation in the chain of custody."

How large is your tank? How much live rock do you have?
 
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Matt_Wandell":1ja9oysf said:
a needle thru their dorsal fin

WOW! 8O

i never heard that....it seems like that would be close to impossible...they can be REALLY fast if they wanna be...do you have any links??
 
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Mine will eat frozen mysis or frozen brine if it is SITTING on the substrate. I can't get them to pick out of the water column.
 
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ok...after microscopic examination...zooplex consists strictly of .....drumroll.......
dead copepods!! YAAAAY!!
looks like i'll be buying my second bottle soon!!
 

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:lol: Mine is nice and fat, he eats from the water column and also picks at the rocks and S/B. I feed the tank Marine snow and Frozen brine (SF bay brand).
 

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I have a 55 galloin tank with about 90 pounds of live rock. A food source is not a question here. I have so many copepods that I always see dead ones floating around the tank. I have pods galore. I will def give zooplex a shot.

Wether or not someone intends to catch mandarins with cyanide is a mute point. People still use cyanide to catch fish and as long as that is happening cyanide WILL effect living organism in the area and whoevers path it comes accross. There is no way that mandarins are imune to cyanide poising. Cyanide does effect mandarines because my last one without a doubt did not survive because he was cyanide poisened.

Matt, Please don't take this as a barb because as always I value your input and knowlwdge.
 
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420, how can you prove that your mandarin was caught OR exposed to cyanide, and not the much more likely fact that he probably starved in your tank? Have you ever seen just how large and fat mandarins can really get in the right setting? Are you aware that it's not just the amount of live rock in a system, but the quality of the live rock as well? Did you know that it usually takes many, many months (even up to a couple of years - assuming it's got "something" to work with) for the full complement of pod species to reinhabit rock that's been shipped? Yes, the "long term" effects on fish to cyanide exposure are going to look a whole lot like what happens to an animal that's starving, but one does not necessarily equate or negate the other, and it's generally accepted that mandarins most often die for lack of suitable diet.

Don't just take my word for it, talk to some folks with vastly more expertise on the subject, how about Anthony Calfo, Bob Fenner? Try a search for his opinion (or you can try querying either of them directly through wetwebmedia) on the subject (but if you mention me, you'll get put in my inbox ;) ).

As for collection with cyanide, what proof more do you want, a talk with collectors? It's well known in the trade that these animals are not caught with cyanide, haven't y'all ever noticed the perfectly round little holes that they come in with? Haven't you ever wondered about that?

Also, brine, live or otherwise, are an entirely unnatural and unsuitable primary foodstuff for mandarins, and they cannot be expected to live full spans nor to reach full sizes on such a diet. If they're eating frozen or otherwise, such as the Zooplex, and they're thriving long term, then this shouldn't be discounted.
 

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Don't insult me with such ignorant remarks.

None of your statments apply to me.

Also, where is your "proof" that it was not?

I have more than enough proof that he was cyanide poisened and I will not share any of my information or findings with you because, simply, I don't have to or even give a flying frick to.
 
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I have more than enough proof that he was cyanide poisened and I will not share any of my information

Thanks for sharing :roll: .


My 2 year old manderin has developed a taste for allot of the foods that I feed the other fish. He always liked frozen formula one for some reason.

I think you should seed your rock with a fauna kit from a place like inlandreef.com. You can also buy additional pods if your tank is not already teeming with them.

HTH

Louey
 

cdeakle

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Thanks for the info louey!

I said that to be an ass because people are getting caught up with stuff that has no bearing on helping me phattening up my mandarin and are more concerned with insulting my intelligence and arguing about the effects of cyanide poisening.

I have a BUNCH of pods in my tank. I have more than enought LR in my tank that is of very good quality. I have so many copepods in my tank its not even funny. So many in fact, thats the reason I got a mandarin in addition to the there beauty and vibrant colors. I was tired of seing all those pods go to waste.

My problem isnt a lack of food so this is why I'm wondering.....
 
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420,
I didn't take it as a barb.... :D It was simply a quote I found relevant to the topic. I wasn't ever aware of what Gresham pointed out, so I thought you might find it interesting. BTW, I'm glad you've found at least some of my help useful. :D

I can see where Seamaiden is coming from, and I understand her point. There ARE a lot of mandarins that die in tanks because of starvation. Frankly, I see her opinion as the exact opposite of ignorant.

Even with a good load of food available, your mandarin may have just gone too long without food during shipping so that it was too far gone to recover. Whether or not your fish was caught with cyanide, I can tell you were trying to provide the right environment for it; that's, unfortunately, not always the case with folks who buy them.
 
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the things i do for my mandarin......this is me catching copepods in morro bay...that wave jacked me!!
 

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