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hey u guys i mostly use the newreefkeepers board but i want more detailed advice, feel me :?: what can u all tell me about true percula clownfish, yellow tangs, naso lituratos, moorish idols, bi-color dooty backs, neon gobys, valenciennea strigata, bi- color blennys, copperband butterfly fish, the purple firefish, the royal gramma, and the fire fish goby? also what do u know about mushroom corals and button polyps? r these ok for the beginer and if i had the adequet space would it be possible for me to put them all in one tank. this will not be the only live stock that i want i have more in mind but these r just a few. what kind of lighting will i need to use?, metal halide im giving a big guess :roll: i also want an anemoneme to go with my clownfish. thanx in advance for all of the advice i get. :D :) :lol: 8) :P :wink: love ya
 
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Moorish idols and butterflies of any sort are really not beginner fish.

Bi color dottyback and the royal gramma may fight and they look the same so why both??? You can find many gobies that are tank raised liike neons so they will be a good starter fish and they will act as cleaners to your yellow tang and other fish big ehough to be cleaned. Same goes for the clown fish. Blennies are also good starter fish very hardy and full of personality. Mushroom and button polyps are good beginner saft corals that will do well with moderate lighting.

How big and deep your tank is will determine your minimal lighting needs. The deeper the tank the more watts your gonna need to penatrate tha water effectively. Hope this helps.

Let us know how you want to start and we can give you suggestions and steer you in the right path. Its hard for use to make suggestions not knowing what kind of budget your are thinking of
 
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From what I understand, Moorish idols should be left on the reef unless you are experienced and can keep up with their demands. Heniochus butterflies would be a better choice. Any Naso tang is going to get big. Most will be best off in tanks over 180g. Copperband butterflies are hard to keep alive since most will die once their food source is gone, and it probably will run out. Those are the more difficult fish you listed IMO. I would recommend you check out wetwebmedia.com for a LOT of information about different fish species and a lot of good articles for beginners.

As far as tank size, go as big as you can afford/fit within reason. Bigger means more stable and more room for some of those fish you want.

For keeping mushrooms and stuff, PC or VHO lights will be okay, but if you want an anemone you will most likely need MH.

HTH
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u guys thanx for the info so far. as someone said that i should say how i want to start out my tank. well for the cycle ill use live rock and live sand. should i go with a deep sand bed? and is there a such thing as a deep live sand bed? when the cycles finishes ill add two clowns, just guessin that theyll breed later on. afterwards ill introduce the mushrooms or the button polyps, i dont know which one will go first. i have no clue on my cleanup crew, can u give me some pointers and or opitions? i have in mind building my own stand and canapy, do u all have ne experience in this field? i really wanna do alot with this tank and i really want it to be one of the best out there. this should be a big help on my start up plan and if u wanted to know im willin to spend as much cash as needed because i always get what i want, no matter how long it takes!!!!! 8) cant wait to hear the replies!
 
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Here is some sound advice to all your questions you asked I have something really simple that will help you out big time go to your libary or buy a few books.

The Conscientious Marine Aquarist by Robert Fenner

Aquarium Corals by Eric Borneman


Reef Fishes Vol1 by Scott W. Michael

I think those 3 would be a great start and help you out alot then you can ask more specific questions.
 
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ya, definitley dont go MIdols, they are WAY hard.

ive never heard of a deep live sand bed, i think it would be the same as a deep sand bed though, cuz the whole point of a DSB is to get life in the tank.

u generally cant just chuck 2 clowns in and hope theyll breed unless theyre really small/young or if theyre WAY differnt in size, that might not even work. u can buy pairs, that is the best way for breeding. cleanup crew, generally snails and a shrimp with brittle stars and hermit crabs works. as far as # u really have to know what size tank youre gonna have. speaking of tank size, get the biggest possible. Theres no such thing as "oh, ill start small since im new and then ill go big". its rweeally the opposite.

Everything else depends on tank size, so ya betta deicde! :D

PS, sorry if u cant read mine, with all the typos and shtuff. :wink:
 
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no that was great thanks, i cant give a specific tank size right now cause i dont have enough to buy one and im waitin till i move to map everything out. cant wait to hear more from u and what size tank do u think ill need if i want all that and more?
 
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Well, bigger is better, the bigger it is the more stuff u can fit. CLeaner crew doesnt require a tremendous amount of pace, its the fish and corals/rock. I think most people would probably agree that 55-120 gallons is the best. Oh ya, when purchasing a tank, never go with the "high" options, the ones that are really tall. THey dont provide good swimming space, surface area for gas exchange is poor, and they require jmore light, espceilally for corals. :wink: The size of the tank really dpends on what fish u want to keep. Or u could get the tank and then choose the fish. :wink:
 
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go as big as you can afford, someone once told me you be prepared to spend $500 for every 10 gallons of tank, if your doing a reef setup. It actually is pretty accurate, atleast for me and my 90 gallon.
 
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should i introduce the clowns first or should i introduce the button polyps or mushroom corals? could i intro these at the same time the mushroom and polyps i mean? what can u tell me about the two, and the clowns?
 
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You can do them whenever, but id do either the fish first, then the corals or vice versa since the tank can catch up with the new bioload. Personally, id choose fish first. theyre hardier and if u put the corals in first, then the fish, the extra bioload might stres the corals out. this is very small amounts here, clownfish arent that big, but when it doesnt matter, u must decide on the small things. :wink:
 
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