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Hello reefing team,

I decided to start this discussion in here because I have talked with most of our regular nano members and they don't seem to have access to the magazine print in question, so I was hoping the general reef population may have a few more collective thoughts about the recent issue of Coral Magazine that has turned so many heads. Feel free to move this discussion if it turns out not to be general forum material...

First of all, let me say thanks to Mike Technoshaman for sending me the mag all the way from Austin, I really appreciate it Sir. I'll shoot ya a cold 20 bill back that way in an envelope for the efforts and shipping costs-couldn't have scored this issue without your help.

I'll start by saying I was AMAZED. They had several write-ups from Daniel Knopp and several german researchers detailing their nano/pico experiments--all the way from 3/4g up to 6 gallons. One of the most interesting features I noted was the length of time this experimentation has been going on. I remember a post in the Industry forum where John Brandt told me of a super-old nano reef dating back the 50's, around two gallons. I had no idea there were nano-reef aquarists back then when the reefkeeping industry was in it's sub-infancy stages, neat. Then in this recent Coral issue I read about the German aquarist who kept 2gallon nanos all the way back into the early 80's--again, much older experimentation than what I had thought. Did any of you know nano-reef attempts dated back that far? Tell me some of your stories if so...

One of the interesting things I observed was the formal introduction to serious pico reefing this issue provides--most people say "why ever go less than 10 gallons, things are too restricted at that point." Well, at least this issue points out there is a serious following of experimenters looking to break new ground for various reasons, both scientific and practical (small footprint=handy reef). Albeit most of them are overseas...

For those of you who have seen the magazine, what was your take on the pico reefs exhibited? What did you think about their cleanliness and apparent ease of care? Something that struck me was the absence of coralline, along with the absence of nuisance algae-very clean. How did your sandbed or CC substrate fare after six months of existence-I always found a little mud here as it was tough to keep out all the detritus.

Secondly, maintaining that diversity in such a small pico is quite a trick. Their LR chunks looked as diversified with microfauna/flora as any drip-fed phytoplanktonized 180g setup I've ever seen--just look at the live rocks and their various network of hydroid colonies, macroalgae growth & filter-feeder diversity of every type that one could possibly fit on a rock. That is incredibly hard to achieve in a pico setup, because making sure swater has the proper range and density of planktonic nutrient to support that kind of diversity also necessitates some pretty rigorous cleaning schedules, to prevent fouling and buildup of micro algae. I kept wondering if they grew that rock in the pico, or transplanted it into one. Nonetheless, to maintain that level of diversity in a pico for 6 months and more as they stated is truly quite an achievement.

In my experience, sub-gallon reefs tend to have a selectivity curve on which certain benthic animals will be tried, for the most part the diversity thins and selects for a few hardy LR organisms under the harsher conditions of the pico reef.

High points of the magazine:

-Reef picos that look like master Amano planted tanks!
-Interesting reef tanks such as tiny glass boxes and acrylic setups where the airline circulation system enters from the bottom of the tank, preventing that over-the-lip approach of the airline tubing coming from the top down below the LR structure.

-Picos built on turn-tables where they autorotate and show each side of the pico (Eric B. I remember you mentioning this on RC few years ago, did your idea get into this print--awesome!)

-Most of the featured setups had an amazing mix of macroalgae and soft corals, along with extremely diverse LR to boot. These pico reefs looked absolutely amazing and the coral life they featured appeared to do just fine in the tanks, corals we all have easy access to which makes personal experimentation all the more accessible.

-Pico and Nano systems ran only by windowsill light, a common question I see throughout the boards. These selected heavily for macroalgae growth along with several anemones and soft corals that appeared to be well-suited to their natural light environment.

-This issue showed the ingenious nature of the German aquarist back in the 80's who had to build her own circulation/cooling and heating system due to the lack of available nano-specific products. She had a goal and did what it took mechanically to meet that goal--and thought to document it with pictures that allows one a glimpse back into the real day of nano/pico birth.

-detailed lists of nano-faring organisms that are pleasing to work with, from shrimp varieties to coral specimens just in case a nano-builder is unsure.

-Article mentions a 2 gallon nano reef that is 40 years old. That just blows me away, it was a macro-algae focused nano driven by windowsill light, looked very dense and lush green with a few corals I believe.
I think there is a high possibility this is a typo, but if not, amazing and impressive to say the least.

Brandon M>
 
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I haven't seen the magazine, but I might subscribe to it. I assume you think it worthwhile?
 

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This is the only edition I have seen, its not quite widespread enough to get to Lubbock yet. The photographic quality is probably the best I have seen, pages are thick and glossy with superpixelated digital pictures. I would consider a substcription.
 

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The writing was of course superb, we have seen Mr. Daniel Knop on here before and it was interesting to gain the perspective of the German researchers who started their 2 & 3 gallon setups long ago.
 

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I just got a subscription for Father's Day and I'm pretty pleased with the quality. So far I have issues 1-3 (seahorses, nano's, and clams respectively).

Shane
 

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brandon429":3v10lbpt said:
-Picos built on turn-tables where they autorotate and show each side of the pico (Eric B. I remember you mentioning this on RC few years ago, did your idea get into this print--awesome!)

Brandon,
I doubt Eric B. would try and claim that he thought of rotating the pico since I have a patent on it. I'm certain Eric must have seen the "Mini Revolutions I had on display at MACNA X in LA. I know both Leng Sy and Daniel Knop are well aware of them. I actually sent a couple of the proto type models over to Germany in 2000. One went to Dr. Dieter Brockman and the other to lfs owner Michael Mrutzek. These were 3.5-gallon tanks with a large sump underneath. They won best new aquarium product at the 1999 APPMA show in Nashville. I'm still trying to get them into mass production, and it might happen this year. I'm certainly spent a lot of time and money trying. Jay Hemdal, Curator of Aquatic Life at the Toledo Zoo is writting a book on Nano tanks that will feature the one I gave the zoo several years ago. I haven't seen the April/May issue of CORAL yet, but I am certainly going to pick up a copy. Most of the LA wholesalers have it.
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Mitch Gibbs
 

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Maybe he said it in the context of comparison to your setup. It is nice to see the nano industry booming, the first company to come out with a 1/2 in wide 3 in long all glass thermostat heater will get my vote for product/company of the year. Miniature true heaters will be the next revolution... send me a few pics of your tanks
 

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Neat to see the pronounced growth in nano literature and research, along with evolving methods of system design. Seen some of Jay's postings about the book and I would readily enjoy seeing that as well. You guys ever come across any fellow SPS/LPS pico reefers? I look for them from time to time.

What did you think about the rotating setups in the CORAL issue, is that your design>
 
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Ive noticed too, a boom in nanos...Ive seen more advertisement in certain stores and catalogs for nanos, i.e. JBJ Nano Cube...I imagine 5-10 years ago, just to find an article in an aquaria mag on nanos was a rare find..Now ive seen at least in AFM several articles for nanos...Im fairly new at this, roughly a year and a half into reef keeping, nano keeping...I wish i could get/see more mags in the industry in general...
 

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Correction on the 40 years old nano mention, I think the typo was in my interpretation. After re-reading the article, it says the tank is 40 years old right after it mentions finding old dusty containers in one's attic that will do the job of keeping a reef.

Still, it said "the tank on page 38 is 40 years old." So I thought what I thought...

How does gaining a patent on an aquarium design work? Just curious, is it associated with a name and specific measurements, how does one stake a claim on a design aspect? Does that mean if any other companies come out with rotating nanos they are in violation? I am thinking this comes from a mass-production sense, any companies selling the combination may be in violation but if a magazine mentions building a nano and then putting it on a retail-purchased rotating stand (like those used to spin spice racks etc) then that may be okay? I am interested in the legal aspects of aquarium design as well.
 

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brandon429":1c85958s said:
How does gaining a patent on an aquarium design work? Just curious, is it associated with a name and specific measurements, how does one stake a claim on a design aspect? Does that mean if any other companies come out with rotating nanos they are in violation? I am thinking this comes from a mass-production sense, any companies selling the combination may be in violation but if a magazine mentions building a nano and then putting it on a retail-purchased rotating stand (like those used to spin spice racks etc) then that may be okay? I am interested in the legal aspects of aquarium design as well.

Brandon,
You can obtain a patent if your idea is unique. It generally costs around $5,000 if your claims aren't contested. The strength of any patent is in the claims allowed. Sometimes the claims can be overturned if prior art is found. Litigation can be very expensive for both parties. Lawsuits are more likely to be filed if someone is trying to infringe on a patent and sell a product. My patent is only a United States patent so I can't stop someone in Germany from making them. I could go after them if they tried to export them to the US. (The importer too) The cost to mass produce a product such as mine is pretty high. It could take up to 8 injection molds to make a quality product that will hold up.
Mitch

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I haven't seen the nano issue yet.
 

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Brandon, i just got the new mag...so far this is a great mag..nice print/paper and quality pix..however i dont see where it makes any mention of the tanks age on page 38..please point me in that direction? Im missing something..
 

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Excellent, glad you got a copy, it will be neat to hear your thoughts after reading it. I am away with family now and have left my issue at home, I'll check back later when I get home and find the exact page. Some of those little open-topped picos would seem to need daily or twice-a-day topoff at least huh?
 
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oh yeah..Im captivated by Dr. Ellen Thaller's article...using macro algae and sunlight, no supplemental lights..on the other hand, it seems quite demanding..and the Europet 3.5 gal tank seems like a good beginner for a pico tank...I think im gonna look into that...Thanx for turning me on to this mag :D
 
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It does on page 30 say it is 40yrs old..here is the caption "The 2 and half gallon (10 liter) tank pictured on pages 36 through 39, for example, is actually more than 40 years old." I think Daniel Knop means the tank itself not that its been running as a reef tank is 40 years old...That is kinda misleading and open to interpretation...
 
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NO but i want one..actually check out the Europet...that looked neat
 

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