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Loggerhead

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KH = ~60mg/L
Ca = ~880mg/L
PH = ~7.8
Salinity = 1.024

I'm scratchin my head, what to do here?
Water change?
Buffers, add something?

Setup:
120 tall
Finger leather
Fiji Yellow
Devils Hand Leather
Several rhodactis
Yellow Tang
Maroon Clown
2 Humbug damsels
2 yellow tail damsels
a few crabs and snails
 
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Hard to tell but my first gut feel is to do nothing. and let the calcium and alk adjust.

the low ph is probably a sign of carbon dioxide which would be consumed with plant life like macros.

If you are adding calcium or dripping kalk then I would stop and see what happend to the calcium/alk.

To me it is better to let the system adjust on its own than to attempt to help that correction. You very well could chase parameters all over the place. Therefore, stressing out the inhabitants. But by essentially doing nothing the system would do the work for you without the stress.
 

Len

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That Ca level looks impossibly high and the kH looks impossibly low for saltwater. If your inhabitants are doing fine, I would bet your Ca test kit is off. Are you adding anything to the system (additives, etc.)?

Man, I wish I paid more attention in chemistry class ;)
 

Sugar Magnolia

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Are these brand new test kits you're using? Old kits? I find it hard to believe that your ca could be up this high without precipitating.
 

Loggerhead

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Bought the kits yesterday from the store. Dosing Kalk nightly, water changes every two weeks.

New lights 2x250w HQI, probably wouldn't make a difference eh?
 
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I would stop dosing kalk and see where the params settle down too.
 

Len

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Lights won't make a very meaningful difference. The Ca and alk levels are so off that I have to believe it's an error. If possible, I'd validate it with another test kit like Salifert's.
 
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Mix up a bucket of saltwater and test it. If the results are reasonable then at least you know your tests kits aren't totally out of whack.

If your test kits are not OK then get new ones (I also like Salifert).

If your test kits are OK then I suggest a series of large water changes to get your paramaters back to reasonable. 10 - 15% water change every other day should safely get your levels normal within a week.
 
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800 ppm (mg/l) calcium sounds reasonable. Especially with dosing calcium and no carbonate.

I am more interested in the 60 mg/l kh. If that is ppm then yep calcium is high and kh is low. So just let it settle down with no kalk dripping.

but if that actually is 60 meg/L then it is way too high. I just presumed it was a typo.

For instance if alk is too low seems to me dosing baking soda would raise the alk and (may even) precipitate out calcium to drop that.


Or you could just leave it alone, stop the dosing, get more experience in the measuring and see what happens.

From what you post for instance, nothing is stressed or anything. Just some number seem funny. So just let the tank get you better numbers. as you get more experience in taking the measurements.
 

Sugar Magnolia

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I agree, those numbers need to be verified by a different test kit. It just doesn't seem possible that the kh is 60. I did notice that he listed the kh as mg/L and ca as mg/L. alk is measured in meq/L with a dkh value and ca ppm. Typos again?

I wouldn't rush out and buy brand new test kits just yet. Have the LFS test your water for you and see what they come up with. I suspect that it may have been an error in your testing, or the reading of the test.

Water changes never hurt anything btw...it'll help gradually get things back in balance.
 
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Nutrafin is about equal to Tetra in terms of quality. It's kind of like trying to measure a couple of yards with the odometer on your car.
 

Loggerhead

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I'm using the nutrafin brand test kit. The only brand sold in my area, and I have checked all the local places. Most people seem to use Salifert, but I will have to order online to get it, or drive to K.C.

The KH/GH (carbonate and general hardness) test has a chart on the back stating that to obtain your readings multiply x drops by 10 to determine carbonate hardness (measured on the chart as mg/L and says a normal reading should be 105 mg/L), and mine is coming in now at ~ 70 mg/L so by this test chart I am still low.

The Ca test measures it as mg/L (ppm) also, and there I have to multiply x drops by 20 to optain the proper reading. Using this formula, it's coming up as >800 (ppm) I think this kit may be bad but the date on the box says it is good for three more years.

The Ph test is supposed to give a gradient between green and blue to register the ph readings, and here, I am totally guessing, because the color I get is actually more of a grey-blue (heavy on the grey) that doesn't really match anything on the charts.

My kingdom for a better way to do this. I will probably mix up a water change A.S.A.P. and run down some water for testing at the LFS just to double check things. Something tells me that things are probably pretty close to where they need to be and the stress my corals are undergoing is probably due more to the new lighting than tank parameters. However, I am waiting to see coralline, and am not, what with 2x250 HQI plus 2 X 54 HO actinic, I thought I would see something in the last week, but nada.
 
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Just so everyone knows.... mg/L is the same as PPM.

60mg/L of KH is the equivalent of 1.2Meq/L and 3.36dKH.

880mg/L is not that reasonable of a Calcium level on this planet, I suppose it could be normal somewhere else. That's higher than normally saturated limewater. Higher levels would require an acid additive.
 

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Of the 200G+ total volume, I replace 2G of evaporated water every day, and all of that is kalk water. Still, I do not have the numbers like yours. 800ppm is simply not possible to achieve with that pH and alk.

Please make a new batch of SW, and use the test to test the new salt water see what the numbers looks like.

I would strongly advice you order salifert test kit as soon as possible.
 
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danmhippo":iv9bbhdo said:
Most tanks would start to snow shower by the time you hit 600ppm ca.

But a snow shower would explain the low ALK & PH.
 
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That's where my chemisty knowledge runs out 8O

Would Ca continue to plummet if the water ran out of Carbonate?
 

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