new product: TLC?
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ded0822":7u9tfqq9 said:
A new system can not possibly cycle faster then if you get plant life like macros or true marine plants thriving right from the get go. So I recommend you setup a refugium of at least 30% of the display (or an in tank refug) as part of your initial setup. then do the rest.
that will be all the TLC you will need. :lol:
don't get me wrong, i fully understand that patience is key. i'm currently running a 55 /w coral. it's doing awesome. i have a skunk clown and a 6-line. i'm almost scared to add another fish, because of the bioload. so i'm extremely cautious i do believe (probably a little to much). i was just curious if anyone had any information on it.
Bob, how does adding "plant" life increase the speed of the bacterial cycle?
Please explain how adding it will increase the speed that bacteria forms, over say adding live rock, a skimmer, and a piece of cocktail shrimp? IMO adding plantlife from the get go will only decrease the speed and amount of bacteria growing by reducing the ammonia it has to work with making an unstable system.If a refugium is something you wish t add I wouldnt start running it untill after the cycle is complete.
If I was starting a new tank I would add the water, from the tap with some clorine remover, add uncured live rock on the starboard. Get the lights/skimmer/pump going, wait 30 days. Do a 100% water change with RO/DI make sure ammonia 0.0 as it always should be after this point and slowly start stocking.
I am sorry I don't anything about those speed cycle products but IME they are a waste of money.
Ben
Please explain how adding it will increase the speed that bacteria forms, over say adding live rock, a skimmer, and a piece of cocktail shrimp? IMO adding plantlife from the get go will only decrease the speed and amount of bacteria growing by reducing the ammonia it has to work with making an unstable system.If a refugium is something you wish t add I wouldnt start running it untill after the cycle is complete.
If I was starting a new tank I would add the water, from the tap with some clorine remover, add uncured live rock on the starboard. Get the lights/skimmer/pump going, wait 30 days. Do a 100% water change with RO/DI make sure ammonia 0.0 as it always should be after this point and slowly start stocking.
I am sorry I don't anything about those speed cycle products but IME they are a waste of money.
Ben
Ben":134290s6 said:
Ben:
We both agree the added products to speed the cycle are a waste of money.
And in a pristine (no plant life) system you do get the aerobic cycle and that the bacteria does spread faster in that envorinment.
To me what is important is the reduction of the ammonia/nitrIte/nitrate spikes.
plant life prefers to consume ammonia before nitrates. Therefore the speed of the bacteria formation is not as important because the ammonia/nitrIte/nitrate cycle is stopped. the bacteria still has ammonia and starts expanding. So in a month or so the full aerobic cycle is established and the plant life is now consuming the resulting nitrates. All with much reduced and probably unmeasureable ammonia/nitrIte/nitrate spikes. And consuming carbon dioxide, therefore insuring a just before lights out high ph value, plus bioaccumulating toxins and heavy metals as well.
Or you can do your method. have ammonia, nitrIte spikes, watch nitrate buildup, suffer the algae blooms, worry about toxins in the water and so on.
Or if you are lucky enough to have thriving plant life on the live rock then those things are much reduced. I just prefer to insure the plant life is in there from the get go.
After cycle you should not have algae blooms at all unless you are NOT exporting nutrients efficiently. Plant life may be a way of exporting nutrients but I do not see how plant life will make a difference in cycling. It will still take ~6 weeks to cycle. Whats the problem if the nitrate levels spike during a cycle with a shrimp and all parameters are 0 at the end of the cycle. A good skimmer and water changes will keep the tank clean and stable.
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Interesting on how people react to this.
If you actually bothered to read the other thread, here is a thread from a newly setup tank. Seems 1) what I say does work, 2) it is nothing new, 3) the same reactions are generated.
http://reefcentral.com/forums/showthrea ... b+and+hail
Interesting on how people react to this.
If you actually bothered to read the other thread, here is a thread from a newly setup tank. Seems 1) what I say does work, 2) it is nothing new, 3) the same reactions are generated.
http://reefcentral.com/forums/showthrea ... b+and+hail
beaslbob":3erbdnv3 said:
The word of the day is:
pan·a·ce·a (n.)
A remedy for all diseases, evils, or difficulties; a cure-all.
Let's use that word in a sentence: Beaslbob's personal panacea is to add Macro algae. :lol:
Okay in all seriousness, what that thread does show is that you totally ignore the wealth of data and opinion that Macro algae does not in fact cure cancer, prevent gingivitus, keep your powder dry, hedge against inflation, make silk out of pork, and finally keep your whites whiter and your colors from fading all with a hint of minty freshness! :lol:
YOU DO NOT NEED A REFUGIUM OF MACRO PLANTS TO HAVE A SUCESSFUL REEF TANK!
Lately all I read is that you should a a refugium.
You got algae - Add a refugium.
You got fish dying - Add a refugium
You got no money - Add a refugium
BLAH!
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Lately all I read is that you should a a refugium.
You got algae - Add a refugium.
You got fish dying - Add a refugium
You got no money - Add a refugium
BLAH!
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To answer the original question, that product is bacteria apparently. The bacteria are already readily available to your tank, and the cycle is the process of their populations building to suitable levels on the various surfaces in your tank. Adding more bacteria will do nothing for that process.
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