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bradl.":2mrko05b said:
Bob claims he can perform miracles with tap water and macro algae. He also professes to be an expert although if you reasearch his past posts on other boards his SW tank has only been up since 2004. He has also been banned from at least 4 other boards that I can think of for his misleading out and out bad advice to people.
Yet he persists and touts his 'method' even when presented with evidence his reasoning is flawed.
At this point the general consensus around here is for him to put up, or shut up.
Well Bob doesnt step on anybodys toes in the process.Hes a gentleman about it. Ive read his posts.This is turning into a personal attack.This thread should have been locked a long time ago. I dont believe in all his methods either but I dont call him names.Im just sayin,he is as passionate about reefing as the rest of us so just let it die.
I haven't been on here in a while (don't even know who this Beaslbob guy is) but as was stated in the beginning of this thread:
- If you get all excited and think you've proved some point because you've got a ton of macro growth in a refugium or sump...or even the main tank...you're actually excited about the fact that you have such a huge load of nutrients in your water that it has become a buffet upon which the macros can unceasingly feast themselves upon (i.e. good growth). Yes, the algae is growing--which means it's taking up nutrients--but the fact that it CAN"T grow would actually be a good sign, because that means the water column is so low in nutrients that the macros cannot be sustained.
And also: by the time nutrients and organics break down enough for macros to be able to take them in...they're already in a state you don't want them to be polluting your tank in. This is why a solid skimmer works better--it gets the detritus and junk out of the water before it can begin to even break down.
- It proves nothing to prove how well macros are going to 'clean' a system when said system is stocked with nothing but zoanthids and softies (i.e. corals that actually prefer a bit more nutrients in the water).
He's doing nothing original...and I wouldn't even say he's even responsibly promoting the methodology upon which he teaches.
- If you get all excited and think you've proved some point because you've got a ton of macro growth in a refugium or sump...or even the main tank...you're actually excited about the fact that you have such a huge load of nutrients in your water that it has become a buffet upon which the macros can unceasingly feast themselves upon (i.e. good growth). Yes, the algae is growing--which means it's taking up nutrients--but the fact that it CAN"T grow would actually be a good sign, because that means the water column is so low in nutrients that the macros cannot be sustained.
And also: by the time nutrients and organics break down enough for macros to be able to take them in...they're already in a state you don't want them to be polluting your tank in. This is why a solid skimmer works better--it gets the detritus and junk out of the water before it can begin to even break down.
- It proves nothing to prove how well macros are going to 'clean' a system when said system is stocked with nothing but zoanthids and softies (i.e. corals that actually prefer a bit more nutrients in the water).
He's doing nothing original...and I wouldn't even say he's even responsibly promoting the methodology upon which he teaches.
you know what.. i used to feel the same.bradl.":13makawk said:
i wouldn't ever tell someone their tank sucked but when someone throws a tank out there to prove a point as he does then all bets are off.
i agree that Bob is well behaved for being hounded as he is but that does not change the content of his postings.
i believe he intentionally ignores facts and ignores complaints about his own behavior.
most of us would like to exchange info and advise others without all the silly ideals.
he is full of misinformation and a newbie to boot.. the only person that agrees is another newbie.
i don't think he should be insulted on a personal level but i do think frank discussion should be made.
i am personally tired of the "plantlife" bile that gets spewed all over the board.
in short, i think he has done this to himself.
IMO, there is no mod action that should be taken other than telling guys like knucklehead to cool it...
[stink eye] that was uncalled for Brian [/stink eye]... but i would be a big hypocrit if i didn't admit that it is nothing that i haven't been guilty of in the past...
bradl.":6m75nvfz said:
Bob does step on toes in this process. This site exists to share information on the hobby, hopefully good information. When bad information is being shared it is all of our jobs to say something about it. When bad information is being shared as fact and as a proven method when it clearly isn't, we are doubly responsible to say something about it. When that bad information is being pushed on new reefers we are triply responsible to say something about it. Bob insists on pushing his bad information as fact, and insists on 'helping' new reefers with his advice, despite the facts countering his ideas.
I would love to let it die, but Bob won't. And if we don't counter his bad advice in every thread he posts it in (and that is quite a few) it will begin to be taken as fact. The hobby is hard enough to start in without Bobs poor husbandry advice.
I agree about the name calling - that should stop, and I have said so. I am not a mod of the GRD, so I do not have the power to lock threads or to make people stop, but please feel free to pm a site admin or a mod of the GRD.
Long ago and far...far away I made a very simple request of your friend Beaselbob...."put up or shut up"...I simply requested that he post pics of his claimed success...his tank....not someone elses...so folks could see and judge for themselves if they wanted what bob claims as success in their homes.....the challenge is still there but I doubt he'll take me up on it.All this ramble and spouting of opinion/advice...but a lack of willingness to show physical evidence of HIS reef.......must not be real proud of it.
Righty":1qfq124d said:
Yes. My advice is to simply take care of the plant life and the plant life will take care of your system. Everything else comes from that fact. The specific details may obscure that simple truth, but even with compeletly different setups that underlying fact still remains.
But I'm running a skimmer, heater, do water changes, have lots of water flow, and dose additives. I have no plant life at all in the system but the algae is purely decorative or nuisance.
We need you to run a tank started and maintained only by algae and Oyster shells just like you've been advising.
We need you to run a tank started and maintained only by algae and Oyster shells just like you've been advising.
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