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Panzz

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Hi everyone I got this xenia lately and with no idea why it somehow died and turned yellow, is it because of the water that cause it to turn yellow and die? other xenia have been doing fine.. but what I really want to know is what is the reason for it to turn yellow.

thx in advance
will really appreciate any suggestions that could help solve this problem thx,
 

nigle

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Oi!

Xenia is tricky, some have it like weeds, some have it like weeds and then they die off in a day, some can't keep it to save their lives, and then they get another and it lives for years....... xenia is tricky.

As for the 'yellow' that's new to me!

Xenia doesn't like change, if you try to move it to a different location it could just die because of that, it doesn't like to be touched either, xenia is tricky.

Xenia is also toxic to SPS, odd but true, and it might also be affected by somthing up-stream from it's location, is there another coral that is directly in line with it in the 'flow' of the tank, if there is someting directly up-flow from it move it to another location where there might not be 'something' up-flow from it, xenia is tricky.

Since all sofites send off toxins in the water, try to use some carbon, the whole idea behind carbon is to get rid, [by the toxins attaching to the carbon] of the toxins, that might be the problem.

Xenia is tricky.

Cheers!
nigle
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Mihai

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It may change color if the original tank had more light: it increases the concentration of algae to compensate for lower light.

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Panzz

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well about the concentration of algae, my xenia doesn't look like it is doing this because it is turning yellow from its tips and down to its stem and slowly dies off but this only happens to 1 or 2 stalks which is really confusing me, any idea why???
 
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Do you have anything close or "upwind/current" that would be stinging it?

~wings~
 

Panzz

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Do you have anything close or "upwind/current" that would be stinging it?

~wings~

nope, the only thing closes to it now is jus a blue sponge. will the blue sponge be dangerous to it too?
 

nigle

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Oi!

Odd that you mentioned a blue sponge, of all the sponges we can get in our tanks, the blues are actually the most toxic of sponges that are considered toxic.

In Dr. R. Schmiks new book 'reef inverterbrates', although when I talk with him at IMAC this year I have many many questions about his comments about [bad] critters, and how I believe that some of his comments are slanted to the ACROPORITES ideas about starving everything in the tanks; he mentions that all 'bought' sponges are toxic to the tanks even if they are good working order, but I have read in many other books that the blues are the most unperdictable when it comes to releasing toxins into the tank.

So this brings another view into this discussion, go with the idea about the use of some carbon in the filters somewhere [and another thing about carbon, you know {and if you don'rt here is some good advice} that the carbon is only active for about 3 or 4 days at the most for 'toxin' and 'chemical' removal, that's it, no more and probably less depending on the amount of carbon and the amount of water flowing over it; The fact that we leave it in for so long {a month or more} is that even though it is no longer removing the 'chemicals' out of the water, it is now truning into a biological filter with the 'gunk' growing on it, also very benificial, which is why we leave the old in for as long as we do, but it's the biological benifits after it has spent it's ability to remove the 'chemmical'] and if you want to see if it is a 'chemical' thingy then remove the carbon after a few days and replace it [no I'm not selling carbon]. Once you believe that the 'chemicals' are under control, then leave the carbon in and allow the biological filtering to continue.

Cheers!
nigle
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Panzz

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Oi!

Odd that you mentioned a blue sponge, of all the sponges we can get in our tanks, the blues are actually the most toxic of sponges that are considered toxic.

In Dr. R. Schmiks new book 'reef inverterbrates', although when I talk with him at IMAC this year I have many many questions about his comments about [bad] critters, and how I believe that some of his comments are slanted to the ACROPORITES ideas about starving everything in the tanks; he mentions that all 'bought' sponges are toxic to the tanks even if they are good working order, but I have read in many other books that the blues are the most unperdictable when it comes to releasing toxins into the tank.

So this brings another view into this discussion, go with the idea about the use of some carbon in the filters somewhere [and another thing about carbon, you know {and if you don'rt here is some good advice} that the carbon is only active for about 3 or 4 days at the most for 'toxin' and 'chemical' removal, that's it, no more and probably less depending on the amount of carbon and the amount of water flowing over it; The fact that we leave it in for so long {a month or more} is that even though it is no longer removing the 'chemicals' out of the water, it is now truning into a biological filter with the 'gunk' growing on it, also very benificial, which is why we leave the old in for as long as we do, but it's the biological benifits after it has spent it's ability to remove the 'chemmical'] and if you want to see if it is a 'chemical' thingy then remove the carbon after a few days and replace it [no I'm not selling carbon]. Once you believe that the 'chemicals' are under control, then leave the carbon in and allow the biological filtering to continue.

I have already added the carbon and have shifted the sponge away from my xenia. but there is still one more thing odd about this xenia, it is changing from a long-stemmed xenia to a short and compact one ( any idea if this is also because of the sponge?)

at the same time I would like to
thx all of you for all you help and suggestions
 

nigle

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Oi!

Oh heavens, now that IS interesting, if it ain't one thing it's another, HA!

I don't know if xenia actually 'changes' from one 'kind' to another, but it will change shape due to conditions like many soft corals will do from tank to tank. I have bought softies that looked great in the LFS tanks and have taken them home and they will 'shrink' for a while until they get use to the conditions of my tank, and then again I have taken some that looked 'shrunk' and they expand in my tanks, the over all point is that they will 'do' what ever they think they need to do in your [our] tanks to be happy.

I guess I should have asked how long have you had it? There is always a time of adjustment to corals when they are moved from tank to tank, and for that matter there is always a 'change' when in a tank for a long period of time due to the small 'changes' in the condition of the tank that they are in.

It always amuses me when someone posts that 'today' my coral looks 'bad' when
yesterday they looked great! Well if they continue to look 'bad' for days then there is
probably something going on, but from day to day corals will do 'good' or 'bad', just like
the people that post here having a 'good' day or a 'bad' day, HA!

It's the long term 'changes' that I feel we should be concerned with and not so much the
day to day, but when you posted here you were saying that the xenia was looking 'bad'
for days and it was good that you then asked what is going on.

As I mentioned in my first post, xenia is tricky, I might even say as for being one of the
most common softies around they are probably the most finicky of all of them since as I
mentioned that sometimes in experienced reefers tanks they will just die in a day,
supposedly through no fault of the reefers skills at all but 'something' bugged it and it dies.

So on your account, I can think of nothing new to say but just watch it and see what it
does. It sounds like you are doing everything you can to illuminate all the possibilities that
could be causing your xenia to be unhappy, but again xenia is tricky.

Cheers!
nigle
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