feeding methods
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Oi!
The 'cut soda bottle' method [if you want to call it that, sic] is a stupid, shorcut to feeding Tubastera. For those of you that do it, I would type something really 'flaming' here, but just saying it is good enough.
The concept is that if you put a cut soda bottle on top of the Tubastera and then fill the bottle with loose food, the 'food' will stay in the cut bottle until the Tubastera is done feeding, which is a bunch of nonsense! Simply put, what happens to the 'loose' food that the polyps haven't 'attached' to when you remove the bottle, the food flys all around and it is just as 'bad' if you didn't use the bottle in the first place!
If you want to feed your Tubastera THEN FEED THE TUBASTERA a piece of food with tweesers so that each polyp is fed, that is the only way to correctly feed them!
The CSBM is just another 'stupid' shotcut that is not. Feeding Tubastera is a process that should be done with care and effort to keep them alive, after all if they don't feed they tend to die, you should want to 'feed them' it shouldn't be a 'thing to short cut'.
Cheers!
nigle
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The 'cut soda bottle' method [if you want to call it that, sic] is a stupid, shorcut to feeding Tubastera. For those of you that do it, I would type something really 'flaming' here, but just saying it is good enough.
The concept is that if you put a cut soda bottle on top of the Tubastera and then fill the bottle with loose food, the 'food' will stay in the cut bottle until the Tubastera is done feeding, which is a bunch of nonsense! Simply put, what happens to the 'loose' food that the polyps haven't 'attached' to when you remove the bottle, the food flys all around and it is just as 'bad' if you didn't use the bottle in the first place!
If you want to feed your Tubastera THEN FEED THE TUBASTERA a piece of food with tweesers so that each polyp is fed, that is the only way to correctly feed them!
The CSBM is just another 'stupid' shotcut that is not. Feeding Tubastera is a process that should be done with care and effort to keep them alive, after all if they don't feed they tend to die, you should want to 'feed them' it shouldn't be a 'thing to short cut'.
Cheers!
nigle
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First of all Nigle...just you stating that you would say something flaming is "stupid" (to use YOUR words) in my opinion. Words like that are not meant for open discussion boards. Here, try these more human oriented words:
I disagree
In my experience its better to...
I dont believe that works as well as...
The people who use this method are simply containing the food in a given area for a duration long enough for this species (and other similar) to grab enough food, and is 100 times better than just dumping food into the tank.
It would have been much nicer of you to just suggest people try your method and have some class about it.
I disagree
In my experience its better to...
I dont believe that works as well as...
The people who use this method are simply containing the food in a given area for a duration long enough for this species (and other similar) to grab enough food, and is 100 times better than just dumping food into the tank.
It would have been much nicer of you to just suggest people try your method and have some class about it.
I tried the cut soda bottle myself, as an experiment, trying to feed my 3" diameter favia brain coral. It was mostly as a test to see if I could coax out tentacle expansion. I used thawed & strained Cyclopeeze & was very judicious in its application, fully aware of that when I removed the bottle, all the extra food would flow about the tank. In the end, my experiment ws not successful, but converesly, I believe I took proper precautions to make sure it wouldn't be detrimental to the tank. I may try it again in the future, but we'll see.
We shouldn't make assumptions about what other aquarists are doing out there. Granted, we're all aware that lots of people make mistakes & we all want to share our experience, but its not what you say-- its how...
We shouldn't make assumptions about what other aquarists are doing out there. Granted, we're all aware that lots of people make mistakes & we all want to share our experience, but its not what you say-- its how...
Oi!
Yes ctgretzky99 to use my words it is stupid, so that is why I stated it like that. Yes I know that this is in no way RC so RC comments need not be used.
As for the CSBM, stupid IS the correct word for it, no ifs ands or buts about it, it's just stupid, sloppy and in no way any kind of a 'quick and easy' approach to the care and feeding of Tubastera.
Unless it is in the substrate and the CSB is able to cover it all at the base, any colony that is in the rocks, it would take more time to cut a bottle to fit over the colony and and rock around it than if you just got some plastic tweezers and fed each polyp individually.
You don't have any plastic tweezers? Then go to a local medical supply house and ask for a suture removal kit, the one I have in front of me is a GS Select brand # 100124. It comes with a great little plastic pair of tweezers [known as forceps] , and a small pair of Scissors that when used and washed quickly will also be great at fragging soft corals. The cost is less than $2.50. I have bought over 40 of them and I give them away as 'reefing gifts' at Christmas, much to the delight of my friends that get them.
Once again feeding Tubastera is not all that difficult if you have the proper tools. Even the plastic pipetts can be used with small food like frozen brine shrimp, once the gunky water it is packed in is removed.
It's easier to do it right than it is to try to fine a cheap and 'stupid' way of getting around your reefing responsibilities, [like not doing water changes and buying that silly magnet thing, ECO something or other]
And then there is that whole thing about keeping food out of the tank, WHY IS THAT? If your tank is working properly then any extra food shoud be consumed by your CUC. Any small amounts of food that does not in fact find it's way into my polyps is quickly consumed by my crabs and shrimp. Not only is my Tubastera well trained when I'm going to feed it but my other critters are too, when it's feeding time they all come over because I will feed them individually too. Maybe it is that I don't have a life or anything and I'm willing to spend the 30 minutes or so taking care of my corals and critters by hand feeding them, but after all that is why I got into this hobby in the first place, for the joy of doing this same thing. Trying to find quick and easy ways of getting around my responsibilities to my reef tanks so I can drink a beer and watch the boob tube is not my idea of having fun with my tanks.
Cheers!
nigle
!~!
Yes ctgretzky99 to use my words it is stupid, so that is why I stated it like that. Yes I know that this is in no way RC so RC comments need not be used.
As for the CSBM, stupid IS the correct word for it, no ifs ands or buts about it, it's just stupid, sloppy and in no way any kind of a 'quick and easy' approach to the care and feeding of Tubastera.
Unless it is in the substrate and the CSB is able to cover it all at the base, any colony that is in the rocks, it would take more time to cut a bottle to fit over the colony and and rock around it than if you just got some plastic tweezers and fed each polyp individually.
You don't have any plastic tweezers? Then go to a local medical supply house and ask for a suture removal kit, the one I have in front of me is a GS Select brand # 100124. It comes with a great little plastic pair of tweezers [known as forceps] , and a small pair of Scissors that when used and washed quickly will also be great at fragging soft corals. The cost is less than $2.50. I have bought over 40 of them and I give them away as 'reefing gifts' at Christmas, much to the delight of my friends that get them.
Once again feeding Tubastera is not all that difficult if you have the proper tools. Even the plastic pipetts can be used with small food like frozen brine shrimp, once the gunky water it is packed in is removed.
It's easier to do it right than it is to try to fine a cheap and 'stupid' way of getting around your reefing responsibilities, [like not doing water changes and buying that silly magnet thing, ECO something or other]
And then there is that whole thing about keeping food out of the tank, WHY IS THAT? If your tank is working properly then any extra food shoud be consumed by your CUC. Any small amounts of food that does not in fact find it's way into my polyps is quickly consumed by my crabs and shrimp. Not only is my Tubastera well trained when I'm going to feed it but my other critters are too, when it's feeding time they all come over because I will feed them individually too. Maybe it is that I don't have a life or anything and I'm willing to spend the 30 minutes or so taking care of my corals and critters by hand feeding them, but after all that is why I got into this hobby in the first place, for the joy of doing this same thing. Trying to find quick and easy ways of getting around my responsibilities to my reef tanks so I can drink a beer and watch the boob tube is not my idea of having fun with my tanks.
Cheers!
nigle
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well thanks, all of you, for chiming in with ideas and oppinions.
at the moment i have a ricordia, some GSP and blue zoos. as of yet i'm not worried about trying to feed each one individually....should i be? i plan on getting some xenia from a friend of mine is a couple weeks and in the near future some mushrooms and maybe some type of leather(any suggestions, i'm trying for corals with similar needs). i would like to get more zoos, i think they are very cool and there are so many of them out there. my tank is 15g with a 10g sump, i have 130 watts PC and about 500 GPH of flow inside the tank itself. i think i could support any type of corals but right now i want to shy away from stony corals....unless some of you think other wise.
well enough from me for now...thanks again......ANDY
at the moment i have a ricordia, some GSP and blue zoos. as of yet i'm not worried about trying to feed each one individually....should i be? i plan on getting some xenia from a friend of mine is a couple weeks and in the near future some mushrooms and maybe some type of leather(any suggestions, i'm trying for corals with similar needs). i would like to get more zoos, i think they are very cool and there are so many of them out there. my tank is 15g with a 10g sump, i have 130 watts PC and about 500 GPH of flow inside the tank itself. i think i could support any type of corals but right now i want to shy away from stony corals....unless some of you think other wise.
well enough from me for now...thanks again......ANDY
Actually the CSBM works well for many reasons. One of the main ideas is that the food drifts down onto the animal and is not blown down onto it. I have a colony of 300 zoathids, if I decided to feed the with mysis you actually expect me to use tweezers to feed them all one by one. I don't think so.... :roll:
My fish would eat any left over food in seconds in any case.
Aweeks95, it depends on what you are trying to feed. Different corals like different foods. SPS might not respond well to phyto feedings but would do better on something like DT's oyster eggs. Softies may do better with the phyto. Bigger mouths like zoanthids, would be good on mysis, cyclopeeze, ect. Open brains and such may do best with some chopped shrimp or silversides.
jmo
My fish would eat any left over food in seconds in any case.
Aweeks95, it depends on what you are trying to feed. Different corals like different foods. SPS might not respond well to phyto feedings but would do better on something like DT's oyster eggs. Softies may do better with the phyto. Bigger mouths like zoanthids, would be good on mysis, cyclopeeze, ect. Open brains and such may do best with some chopped shrimp or silversides.
jmo
Oi!
Well if my comments seemed harsh, then I'm sorry about that, ChrisRD sent to me a PM
stating that comments were a bit over the top and to calm it down a bit and to that I'm
sorry that my comments were taken like that, I didn't intend them to be like that, but that
is the difficulty with internet discussion groups like this, you really can't tell the way a
person is 'sounding' but by the words alone, and if others took offense, sorry about that it
was not intended to be like that. As I typed to me it was 'matter of factly' as opposed to
[$#^$#], but then again I use the 's' word whenever I type about this subject. Look over
my other posts and you will probably not see the 's' word.
But back to the discussion concerning the soda bottle thingie, I guess it's just a 'button' of
mine, one that I just can't understand the point of. I have been feeding my corals by hand
since I started in this hobby and I just can't see the benefits of this 'method'. The feeding
by hand brings me closer [literally] to my corals and I can actually determine what and
how much they can feed as I do it. The CSB is a bit indeterminate in my opinion since
you really don't know what was taken until you remove the thing [and any excess is lost
in the system]
At this point I should also mention my !~! at the bottom of all my posts. When I use the
!~! at the bottom it is my way of saying that in no way, shape , matter, or form was my
comments to be taken as being mean or anything other than my typing my opinion.
Fortunately for all these posts that is what we all should be taking them as, one persons
opinion. What works for one may not work for others, that is the fun and also the
confusion with this hobby. Some can keep anemones, SPSs, shrooms; some can live
without RO/DI, others can't; some insist on MH some can live nicely without, there are
just too many variables in this hobby to say yes or no to anything, but my comment about
CSB is still that it is more bother than it is worth, feeding by hand brings you closer to
your animals.
Cheers!
nigle
!~!
Well if my comments seemed harsh, then I'm sorry about that, ChrisRD sent to me a PM
stating that comments were a bit over the top and to calm it down a bit and to that I'm
sorry that my comments were taken like that, I didn't intend them to be like that, but that
is the difficulty with internet discussion groups like this, you really can't tell the way a
person is 'sounding' but by the words alone, and if others took offense, sorry about that it
was not intended to be like that. As I typed to me it was 'matter of factly' as opposed to
[$#^$#], but then again I use the 's' word whenever I type about this subject. Look over
my other posts and you will probably not see the 's' word.
But back to the discussion concerning the soda bottle thingie, I guess it's just a 'button' of
mine, one that I just can't understand the point of. I have been feeding my corals by hand
since I started in this hobby and I just can't see the benefits of this 'method'. The feeding
by hand brings me closer [literally] to my corals and I can actually determine what and
how much they can feed as I do it. The CSB is a bit indeterminate in my opinion since
you really don't know what was taken until you remove the thing [and any excess is lost
in the system]
At this point I should also mention my !~! at the bottom of all my posts. When I use the
!~! at the bottom it is my way of saying that in no way, shape , matter, or form was my
comments to be taken as being mean or anything other than my typing my opinion.
Fortunately for all these posts that is what we all should be taking them as, one persons
opinion. What works for one may not work for others, that is the fun and also the
confusion with this hobby. Some can keep anemones, SPSs, shrooms; some can live
without RO/DI, others can't; some insist on MH some can live nicely without, there are
just too many variables in this hobby to say yes or no to anything, but my comment about
CSB is still that it is more bother than it is worth, feeding by hand brings you closer to
your animals.
Cheers!
nigle
!~!
The fish should clean up and excess. And again you think it is easy to feed hundreds of zoas, if thats is your intention? What about SOmeone who has many colonys of hundreds of polyps but wants to feed? You would still tell them do it one polyp at a time? Most people I know would want their hand in the tank for that long and don't have hours to spend feeding one piece of mysis at a time to hundreds of polyps. It isn't needed. There are faster better ways to do things.
Now if all I had was one tubestrea and it had 24 polyps I could agree that this would be a fine way to feed and prevent any waste. Hope there isnt any hungry shrimp in the tank though, a guess a CSB would have kept the shrimp off the coral......
JMO
Ben":ts39cp1j said:
This is always my biggest fear...I hate when I have to reach into the tank for anything. Im a greasy guinea, so I feel like no matter how well I wash my hands...and I do very very much beofre i do it...I feel I am contaminating the tank somehow.
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