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Cichlidius

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Can I take the top trim off my 29gal tank? It is a AGA black trim tank, I have heard that the trim is cosmetic and only holds glass covers in place. I have also heard the opposite, that it is support for the tank. Is there a definate answer on this?

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It also protects against nicks which can lead to cracks. I'd leave it on.

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it also holds the tank glass in place.
anything over 10 gallons id leave it on.

if you look it should be connected to the centerbrace. and you need the centerbrace
 

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davidmohr":1luxvzuq said:
It also protects against nicks which can lead to cracks. I'd leave it on.

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David Mohr

Is this the only problem you would have with removing the trim?

cjsrch":1luxvzuq said:
if you look it should be connected to the centerbrace. and you need the centerbrace
My 29gal doesn't have a center brace.

OTOH what if I siliconed a piece of glass in as a center brace after removing the trim. I see a lot of European tanks without plastic trim and most don't even have any kind of brace. Is there some manufacturing secret we missed over here?

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Cichlidius":1m55r4rl said:
davidmohr":1m55r4rl said:
It also protects against nicks which can lead to cracks. I'd leave it on.

Regards,
David Mohr

Is this the only problem you would have with removing the trim?

On a 29 gal tank, yes. I cracked a 10 gal when I chipped a bare edge of the glass.

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David Mohr
 

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Interesting, thanks for the reply. I am continuing to do some research. If anyone comes across a link to a trimless tank post it here.

Thanks and please feel free to comment on this, anyone!

Steve
 
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At the bottom of this page -- http://www.all-glass.com/services/index.html

there is a link to email the guys at AGA


Ask them, they are the only ones that would know if the tank is built heavy enough to go without the trim.

They will doubtless tell you the warranty if any would be void....
 

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Can you please tell us what happened after you removed it? :)
(Assuming you do it). I'm very curious. For 10 gal you can, for 100 you can't, for 29... ?!?

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Cichlidius

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Thanks for the link, I checked before but never saw the e-mail link hidden deep down at the bottom of the page. :lol:

Anyway I sent e-mail, and will continue to search this and other forums.

Thanks
Steve
 

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If there's no center brace it's purely cosmetic/protective - what David said.
If it's at the stage where it's actually helping maintain the integrity of the tank I'd say your seals are failing and that tank is in trouble regardless - thin plastic won't be much defense against the enormous water pressure.

That said, I really prefer the trim. I find it gives a nice sharp border to the tank to help draw your eyes inside, plus disguises the water level.
 

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Sorry to be the dissenting vote here, but from a structural perspective, the rims are much more than purely cosmetic and definitely add strength to the tank, of whatever size- as long as the frame is one-peice, molded. As already stated, especially with a center brace. Because it is siliconed in place, it supports the panes from the top, like the molding around the bottom, from pushing out. Without it, water pressure pushing on the top of the glass pane would have far less resistence- with only the corner seals holding it in place. I'm not arguing whether or not a tank with it removed will collapse or not, time would tell, but it definitely adds rigidity in all four directions. I wouldn't remove it. If you want to add a glass brace after removing it, it would have to be in both directions if the aim was to replace the frame's stabilizing function.

I would posit that taller tanks would fair worse with a removed trim than shallower ones.
 
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I think the trimless tanks you are referring to are Acrylic tanks. They do make small tanks SeaClear is one manufactuer. I dont think Acrylic tanks need the trim.
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Entacmaea - I disagree based more or less on Hagen tanks. The rims aren't siliconed on but rather have a couple of globs just to keep it attached.

The rim itself won't prevent the tank from bowing at all (take off a tank rim some time and wiggle it to see what I mean).

A lot of their newer tanks don't have rims at all- though I imagine the glass is probably thicker.

If a company is relying on a plastic rim to keep integrity, I think they're probably cutting costs to keep the glass thickness down. It'll still hold, but that kind of engineering makes me nervous.
 

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The rim is to protect you from cuts, protect the tank glass from chips,
add's support to the CORNERS only with out a center brace, and to hide the unfinished edge. I would realy leave it on if it were me.
I have an OOOOOOOOLD, old 100 gallon aga ( I am talking 30 years or more old!!) that the trim absolutely serves NO purpose on though.
Of course the glas is damnear 5/8" thick on that sucker as well! LOL!
It measers 60x18x19? I think? No body even,makes those dimensions in a 100g anymore LOL!!!
I love it!
 

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Rikko- if you took two AGA tanks, one with a rim one without- the one without would take significantly less force to push out the glass panels from the center- I guarantee you... hence the rims are also structural, even in tanks with no center brace. If you look at the rim, it is more substantial plastic than you think...
 

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Well I got my answer from AGA, here it is. If it doesn't have a center brace, it seems it is not nessecary. see bold print. Now I can procede with my plan.
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I received more information about the frames. All frames w/center bracing is there to support the structure of the aquarium and keep it from bowing. On all tanks that do not have center braces, the frame is there for cosmetic reasons. If you do remove the frame, the warranty for that aquarium would be void. If you need additional information, you can call our Customer Service Department 1-800-255-4527. Thank you for your interest in our products.
 
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Rikko":17ifwttm said:
Entacmaea - I disagree based more or less on Hagen tanks. The rims aren't siliconed on but rather have a couple of globs just to keep it attached.

The rim itself won't prevent the tank from bowing at all (take off a tank rim some time and wiggle it to see what I mean).

A lot of their newer tanks don't have rims at all- though I imagine the glass is probably thicker.

If a company is relying on a plastic rim to keep integrity, I think they're probably cutting costs to keep the glass thickness down. It'll still hold, but that kind of engineering makes me nervous.

In general it is not that easy. It is a length vs height vs stiffness of the material (design). On many tanks I'm sure it is just cosmetic, but I would be wary to take the risk.
 

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