New Turf Results

[Anonymous]

Thank God for Vitz. Now I don't have to spew pages worth of typed objections, 'cause he's done it for me. Add another beer to the stack I'll buy you, one of these years.

 

[ZooKeeper1]

That was my first question to you. How do you stop algae from growing by growing algae

Same whay that growing chaeto in the sump removes algae from the display.

Still not getting it eeh ? LOL You are too funny. Again straight from the horses mouth. Your horse, not mine BTW.

Also, there is no real reason that turfs will prevent or exclude the growth of other algae. Algae, like corals and other invertebrates in the ocean; like trees,shrubs, and grasses, are all able to grow in the same environment. On the reef, or at least a a healthy reef, turfs are constantly grazed to nubs so that they are all but invisible but without herbviory, they grow. The other algae tend to be less palatable. Also, like corals or like grasses, or trees, they all habitats where they do best. So, turfs can be kept using an environment that favors their growth, but where herbivores that could decimate them are not allowed. In contrast, they are in the main tank and if there is enough for them to eat (or if the other algae are unpalatable enough), the fish and herbivorous inverts will prefer to snacks at diatom films, keep turfs at near invisible levels, wait for feeding time, and leave those other algae alone.

So as I said before, it's the herbivors removing algae. Fact is that algae cannot lower the nutrients enough to stop algae from growing. If it could, it would die, and algae doesn't want to die, it wants to live. Not that that in itself is a problem, it's just another one of your ignorant statements that proves you don't know what's going on in a tank.

What little healthy coral reefs there are have very little nutrients in the water, less than is obtainable in a normally run reef tank. Yet take away the herbivors and the reef would be overrun by algae and killed. That's just an undisputed fact.

 

[Anonymous]

This will come in handy too...

 

[blackcloudmedia]

Santamonica I love how all of your copy and pasted "testimonials" all have the same typing/grammattical style. Such as the overused commas and horrible capitalization. Surely spending enough time on a forum you would know that people combine words in their own unique style. Looks to me like those testimonials all came from your keyboard. Oh well innocent until proven guilty I guess. How much time are you spending loading these servers with images and text each day? You accused people of getting paid by skimmer companies earlier....seems like your the one getting paid. But by who? Ah Ive got it...the International Delegation Incorporation Operating Tirelessly...or I.D.I.O.T. for short.

 

[Anonymous]

I was giving this more thought last night...shouldn't we be seeing a bunch of successful TANKS by now? We're still seeing messy filters and rocks with hair algae all over them.

 

[Len]

I haven't read the last few (ok, maybe 7-8) pages but I still don't understand how this is any different then any of the previous algae scrubbers ... a filtration method with a dismal record.

 

[blackcloudmedia]

I was giving this more thought last night...shouldn't we be seeing a bunch of successful TANKS by now? We're still seeing messy filters and rocks with hair algae all over them.

Yes, this is more of a science project to do on your tank rather than a filtration system. It just seems like a lateral change in organics rather than a depletion of them.

P.S. I work at Florida Community College at Jacksonville and asked two Biology teachers (PHD's) about this and they both agreed there needs to be (scientific) testing done to prove anything. Not garage expirimentation.

 

[Anonymous]

Len, blackcloud - I'm picking up what you're putting down. You would think though that even with this BS filtration method that at least one of these users would have gotten lucky and ended up with a fantastic tank by now. Especially given the fact that a lot of the persons implementing SM's approach are also employing other equipment that has been proven to be successful (skimmers, GAC, etc). Even a blind man should hit the dart board occasionally. (or maybe not :lol: )

I'm never going back to an ATS (ever!). I would rather leave the hobby than travel down that road again.

 

[Anonymous]

I haven't read the last few (ok, maybe 7-8) pages but I still don't understand how this is any different then any of the previous algae scrubbers ... a filtration method with a dismal record.

The only difference I see really is in construction.

 

[Anonymous]

Thank God for Vitz. Now I don't have to spew pages worth of typed objections, 'cause he's done it for me. Add another beer to the stack I'll buy you, one of these years.

nothing like watching an idiot try to emulate rube goldberg, eh ?

make it moosehead, and yer on !

 

[blackcloudmedia]

Hey since Santamonicas just spamming and not actually conversing in this thread cant you block him as a spammer?

 

[consigliere]

I am glad you are still spreading the word...about turf scrubbers...
I lost track of you after reef central...hang in there...
Dont let any of these NAY-SAYERS discourage you...
dont get banned again...we need you to keep up the good work !!!

 

[blackcloudmedia]

I am glad you are still spreading the word...about turf scrubbers...
I lost track of you after reef central...hang in there...
Dont let any of these NAY-SAYERS discourage you...
dont get banned again...we need you to keep up the good work !!!

I love how everyone with a few posts supports SM yet those with THOUSANDS of posts can see through the poo.

 

[consigliere]

I have been in this hobby since 1975...built two retail stores and owned my own maintenance company,
I don't need alot of posts to know that scrubbers work...
I use them...have seen others use them with good results..
Go pay a visit to Inland Aquatics...even Terry Siegel had to admit the scrubbers do a great job once he visited there...

 

[Anonymous]

I have been in this hobby since 1975...built two retail stores and owned my own maintenance company,
I don't need alot of posts to know that scrubbers work...
I use them...have seen others use them with good results..
Go pay a visit to Inland Aquatics...even Terry Siegel had to admit the scrubbers do a great job once he visited there...

I think it all depends on where you set your bar for 'success'. I've been to Inland. Here's what they provided in another thread as a 'successful' application of an ATS....

 

[blackcloudmedia]

I have been in this hobby since 1975...built two retail stores and owned my own maintenance company,
I don't need alot of posts to know that scrubbers work...
I use them...have seen others use them with good results..
Go pay a visit to Inland Aquatics...even Terry Siegel had to admit the scrubbers do a great job once he visited there...

Im not doubting that ATS can put a dent on nutrient export so well as its well maintained, the tank is underfed, and an RO unit is used, as well as the billion other factors that come into play when comparing Joes reef tank to Bobs reef tank. What Im arguing is that this thread is soaking up tones of server space and SM isnt even holding conversations with people, hes just logging in...cut and pasting...then logging out. We call that spammin where I come from.

 

[Len]

Like most seasoned hobbyists, we've either used or seen ATS used in decades past. I've used it myself. From the sum of my experiences, it is a horrible filtration method that needs to go the way of the dodo.

Show me a few pics of successful tanks running algae scrubbers and I may begin to change my mind. I've not seen any. Anonymous testimonials don't count.

 

[Anonymous]

Anonymous testimonials don't count.

ATS saved my life

my tank never looked better

I guess I came in too late then, huh?

 

[blackcloudmedia]

Heres the problem with comparing an ATS reef tank you once saw, to a reef tank using Skimmers...
Whether the water is RODI or not; What type of salt they use; salinity; is the salinity being held stable; temperature of both tanks; how loaded the sand is with nutrients, whether the same bacteria is present, are the same waste-breakdown-creatures in the tanks, poundage of live rock, poundage of live sand, surface area exposed for gaseous exchance, ammount of air being aggrivated into the water, ammount of circulation, livestock load, feeding load, food used, supplementary equipment such as (UV filters, carbon filters-is the carbon being maintained-, calcium reactors, are the same lights being used=energy being applied to the system) Are the same types of corals trying to be kept, are the same species of fish being kept, are there any viruses/ bacteria loads on the system, and any other differences I may have overlooked.
So if your comparing ATS's ability to clean a tank in a 90 Gal 400Watt MH SPS Minimalists tank....vs a DSB 200 Gal Leather tank with tonnes of Rock...then your just not being scientifically fair.

 

[Len]

All I want is to see a successful ATS tank that's been running a few years. No other conditions required (yet)

And yes, Gresham, too late