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fernandokng

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Hi All - I've been looking around for sites some plumbing suggestions from tank to sump and return, but I haven't been able to find any that goes into a lot of details - types of pipes, how to glue them together, recommended layouts, pros/cons etc.

Are there any sites you guys suggest I should be focusing on? Thanks.
 

jejton

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I was in the same problem as you but really didnt find much in any reef forums besides discussions on valves and critquing people's plumbing but that doesnt help much if you don't even know what the parts are they are talking about. I suggest perusing the PVC parts section on a site like plumbingsupply.com to get an understanding of what the parts are and do and then read some different plumbing and tank threads.
 

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If by flexible you mean Spaflex ( flexible PVC ) as opposed to vinyl tubing, then spaflex is more expensive than rigid PVC but it gives you more latitude and room for error. As far as any difference in performance, I'm not sure. I do think ( from reading somewhere ) that flexible tube - vinyl or PVC - produces less noise than rigid tube.
 

House of Laughter

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spaflesx also provides you with opportunities to bend the tubing where you may otherwise use a hard 90 degree elbow - each elbow reduces the flow and creates what is known as "head pressure" on the pump.

The reason why you don't find much plumbing how
to's is because plumbing is an art. Some are better at it than others and can "see" the system. Additionally, there is usually more than one way to accomplish what you're trying to accomplish - so there are no "exact" ways to plumb.

Let it be known, however, that there are some best practices (like priming your parts before gluing) etc.

Good luck and if you have any questions, I will go over it when you're ready to drill the tank.

House
 

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You're better off using flex pvc, for the reasons described in your thread. But it depends on how big your system is. A 30 gal tank w/sump system dosen't need to move 1000 gals/hr so it can be done with clear hose from the hardware store using barbed fittings and clamps. Where, say, a 120 needs to move more water, will need bigger pipes, the ridgid pvc or flex pvc would be a better choice. Try to picture where you want to go with the water. From here to here. It's that simple. The hard part is realizing whats available to you to accomplish this, (fittings, valves, connectors). As stated above, using flex pipe you can avoid using 90 degree bends(elbows) which create restriction of flow (backpressure) against the pump, which will slow down the water flow. but in not using fittings to make the bend, you have to make wider loops or bends to make the connection so you don't kink the pipe. Instead of using a 90 degree fitting, use (2) 45 degree fittings. The use of unions allows you to easily disconnect and remove a component (pump, over flo). There are a lot of different fittings and connectors. Yes there is an "art" to this, that just makes it look good, while being done correctly makes it function the way it should. I think the best way to understand it is to see other persons systems and how they did it. Although I have worked with pipes and fittings for 35 years, initially getting in this hobby, I had a hard time understanding why the water flowed from this point to that point, and then back to the tank. But going to reef club meetings, I was exposed to several different setups and realized there is no one way to do this. As as I progressed in the hobby, I made improvements where I learned they were needed. Hope this helps.
 

fernandokng

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Thanks!

You're better off using flex pvc, for the reasons described in your thread. But it depends on how big your system is. A 30 gal tank w/sump system dosen't need to move 1000 gals/hr so it can be done with clear hose from the hardware store using barbed fittings and clamps. Where, say, a 120 needs to move more water, will need bigger pipes, the ridgid pvc or flex pvc would be a better choice. Try to picture where you want to go with the water. From here to here. It's that simple. The hard part is realizing whats available to you to accomplish this, (fittings, valves, connectors). As stated above, using flex pipe you can avoid using 90 degree bends(elbows) which create restriction of flow (backpressure) against the pump, which will slow down the water flow. but in not using fittings to make the bend, you have to make wider loops or bends to make the connection so you don't kink the pipe. Instead of using a 90 degree fitting, use (2) 45 degree fittings. The use of unions allows you to easily disconnect and remove a component (pump, over flo). There are a lot of different fittings and connectors. Yes there is an "art" to this, that just makes it look good, while being done correctly makes it function the way it should. I think the best way to understand it is to see other persons systems and how they did it. Although I have worked with pipes and fittings for 35 years, initially getting in this hobby, I had a hard time understanding why the water flowed from this point to that point, and then back to the tank. But going to reef club meetings, I was exposed to several different setups and realized there is no one way to do this. As as I progressed in the hobby, I made improvements where I learned they were needed. Hope this helps.
 

GeoB

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Let us know what you're trying to do. How big is your tank and sump? What have you decided to use as an overflow? How many returns going back to the tank. What size is the return pump? Have you decided what you'll be keeping in the tank? Try to determine what flow rate you want. Then you can start to size the pipe and fittings.
 

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