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Is it time to blow the whistle on industry?
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DustinDorton":1kqkpw97 said:Who are you referring to as the "Industry"
Dustin
Industry is defined in the first post as the wholesalers and importers of ish and coral into America.
On the Asian side they industry would be the exporters to the US.
Rover in your previous post you suggested that regulations on the US side would delay things, cost money and that fish would be left on the tarmac.
This is not true.
If industy both in the US and P/I continues to ignore reform the proposal will be a full and complete enbargo on the import of fish from the Philippines and Indonesia.
Nothing from those two countries where the use of cyanide is rampant will be allowed to enter.
Nothing will change except that the hobby will not get cyanide free fish.
It follows therefor that it is in the best interest of industry to embrace reform NOW or alternatively find sources other than the Philippines and Indonesia for fish.
This is not true.
If industy both in the US and P/I continues to ignore reform the proposal will be a full and complete enbargo on the import of fish from the Philippines and Indonesia.
Nothing from those two countries where the use of cyanide is rampant will be allowed to enter.
Nothing will change except that the hobby will not get cyanide free fish.
It follows therefor that it is in the best interest of industry to embrace reform NOW or alternatively find sources other than the Philippines and Indonesia for fish.
The hobby thanks MASNA for putting a link on their home page to this thread.
It is important that reefers be informed about the destruction cyanide does to the fish, coral and the reefs itself.
It is important that industry agree now to embrace reform and stop the cyanide destruction to our reefs and the needless death of fish sold to us by them from the Philippines and Indonesia.
It is important that reefers be informed about the destruction cyanide does to the fish, coral and the reefs itself.
It is important that industry agree now to embrace reform and stop the cyanide destruction to our reefs and the needless death of fish sold to us by them from the Philippines and Indonesia.
SciGuy2":10biuyce said:Naesco,
Um what link, where?
Been to the MASNA website and I don't see a link to this thread.
Sincerely,
Lee Morey
MASNA
Yup it there. Here!
http://www.masna.org/whatsnew.htm
I find it quite humorous that MASNA has two quite contradictory items on their front page. The headline for this thread reads "Cyanide caught fish continue to be imported and industry is doing nothing about it." A little further down is the netting fund headline which reads "Help Eliminate Cyanide...Send nets to the Fishermen". Yoo-hoo...I'm industry and I organized the net fund.. To say industry is doing nothing is a slap in the face to the people who are working very hard, some risking their lives, to reform the cyanide trade.
Some important points:
1. Two years ago there were no 100% net caught exporters in the Philippines. Now there are at least two, possibly two others. And more getting ready to jump on board.
2. There has been a severe lack of netting material in the Philippines for decades. This issue is being corrected as we speak (Largely in part to industry, may I add.) I am sending over 2.5 miles of hand netting (it's on its way right now), and AMDA will be sending the necessary barrier netting.
3. The proper net trainings have been occurring thanks to Ferdinand Cruz. He has also been helping by linking these collectors to dedicated exporters who will pay more for net caught fish. Plans are in the works to expand his ultra-successful trainings. This is a huge step in solving the problem for good.
All of these points are intertwined, and are forming the foundation of true reform in the Philippines- the first true reform ever in my opinion. It is in its infancy, but moving forward quite well. Reform will not happen overnight. I would rather see true reform that takes a few years to be completed than some psuedo-feel good reform that is accomplished in a few months. This is a large problem. It's been going on for decades. You can't fix it immediately. There are so many pieces to the puzzle, that it will take a while to look at each one carefully and figure out what needs to be done to solve the problem for good...not temporarily. You can't put a band aid on a broken leg. I think this whole "whistle blowing" thing could seriously harm the true reform efforts that are taking place. I understand that many people want the problem to go away now. I've been working hard at this for almost 4 years- way longer than most of you- and no one wants it worse than I do. But I want it done right. And finally, I can see the solution in sight. It's there, and it's getting closer everyday. It won't be here tomorrow, and I'm afraid that many here are too impatient to allow it to continue to move in the right direction. I get the feeling that many of you want the "feel good" results- someone telling you it's fixed- rather than the nitty-gritty results that take time. Is the industry perfect? Of course not! I'm the first one to say that all of the time. But are we finally making progress in the right direction? YES. Don't destroy with some naive undertaking.
Some important points:
1. Two years ago there were no 100% net caught exporters in the Philippines. Now there are at least two, possibly two others. And more getting ready to jump on board.
2. There has been a severe lack of netting material in the Philippines for decades. This issue is being corrected as we speak (Largely in part to industry, may I add.) I am sending over 2.5 miles of hand netting (it's on its way right now), and AMDA will be sending the necessary barrier netting.
3. The proper net trainings have been occurring thanks to Ferdinand Cruz. He has also been helping by linking these collectors to dedicated exporters who will pay more for net caught fish. Plans are in the works to expand his ultra-successful trainings. This is a huge step in solving the problem for good.
All of these points are intertwined, and are forming the foundation of true reform in the Philippines- the first true reform ever in my opinion. It is in its infancy, but moving forward quite well. Reform will not happen overnight. I would rather see true reform that takes a few years to be completed than some psuedo-feel good reform that is accomplished in a few months. This is a large problem. It's been going on for decades. You can't fix it immediately. There are so many pieces to the puzzle, that it will take a while to look at each one carefully and figure out what needs to be done to solve the problem for good...not temporarily. You can't put a band aid on a broken leg. I think this whole "whistle blowing" thing could seriously harm the true reform efforts that are taking place. I understand that many people want the problem to go away now. I've been working hard at this for almost 4 years- way longer than most of you- and no one wants it worse than I do. But I want it done right. And finally, I can see the solution in sight. It's there, and it's getting closer everyday. It won't be here tomorrow, and I'm afraid that many here are too impatient to allow it to continue to move in the right direction. I get the feeling that many of you want the "feel good" results- someone telling you it's fixed- rather than the nitty-gritty results that take time. Is the industry perfect? Of course not! I'm the first one to say that all of the time. But are we finally making progress in the right direction? YES. Don't destroy with some naive undertaking.
Mary,
I agree with you completely and have engaged the MASNA board of directors to discuss the propriety of having this link on our website. I strongly feel that Wayne Ryan's premise, conclusions and suggestions are highly flawed. He has entirely disregarded good efforts by industry, as you have pointed out.
Please understand that the posting of that link on the website was not arrived at by any consensus of MASNA's directorate.
I agree with you completely and have engaged the MASNA board of directors to discuss the propriety of having this link on our website. I strongly feel that Wayne Ryan's premise, conclusions and suggestions are highly flawed. He has entirely disregarded good efforts by industry, as you have pointed out.
Please understand that the posting of that link on the website was not arrived at by any consensus of MASNA's directorate.
MaryHM":knqannfd said:I find it quite humorous that MASNA has two quite contradictory items on their front page. The headline for this thread reads "Cyanide caught fish continue to be imported and industry is doing nothing about it." A little further down is the netting fund headline which reads "Help Eliminate Cyanide...Send nets to the Fishermen". Yoo-hoo...I'm industry and I organized the net fund.. To say industry is doing nothing is a slap in the face to the people who are working very hard, some risking their lives, to reform the cyanide trade.
Some important points:
1. Two years ago there were no 100% net caught exporters in the Philippines. Now there are at least two, possibly two others. And more getting ready to jump on board.
2. There has been a severe lack of netting material in the Philippines for decades. This issue is being corrected as we speak (Largely in part to industry, may I add.) I am sending over 2.5 miles of hand netting (it's on its way right now), and AMDA will be sending the necessary barrier netting.
3. The proper net trainings have been occurring thanks to Ferdinand Cruz. He has also been helping by linking these collectors to dedicated exporters who will pay more for net caught fish. Plans are in the works to expand his ultra-successful trainings. This is a huge step in solving the problem for good.
All of these points are intertwined, and are forming the foundation of true reform in the Philippines- the first true reform ever in my opinion. It is in its infancy, but moving forward quite well. Reform will not happen overnight. I would rather see true reform that takes a few years to be completed than some psuedo-feel good reform that is accomplished in a few months. This is a large problem. It's been going on for decades. You can't fix it immediately. There are so many pieces to the puzzle, that it will take a while to look at each one carefully and figure out what needs to be done to solve the problem for good...not temporarily. You can't put a band aid on a broken leg. I think this whole "whistle blowing" thing could seriously harm the true reform efforts that are taking place. I understand that many people want the problem to go away now. I've been working hard at this for almost 4 years- way longer than most of you- and no one wants it worse than I do. But I want it done right. And finally, I can see the solution in sight. It's there, and it's getting closer everyday. It won't be here tomorrow, and I'm afraid that many here are too impatient to allow it to continue to move in the right direction. I get the feeling that many of you want the "feel good" results- someone telling you it's fixed- rather than the nitty-gritty results that take time. Is the industry perfect? Of course not! I'm the first one to say that all of the time. But are we finally making progress in the right direction? YES. Don't destroy with some naive undertaking.
Mary we are talking here about an industry which is squirting cyanide into the reefs as we speak. Thousands of fish die immediately.
All the coral heads, live rock, and critters die. The stunned fish that do survive are imported by industy stateside and are sold to unsuspecting reefers where the fish die in their tanks.
You have done some things but THEY have done nothing and will do nothing unless they are forced to and they will be forced to.
Join us, Mary or join them.
Now is the time for anyone in industry with an ounce of reform to tell industry they must reform or face the consequences.
It is as simple as that .
Wayne (naesco),
You have done a great disservice by entirely overlooking or disregarding the many efforts and actions of the international marine aquarium industry to bring about changes towards the reform that is often spoke of in this forum.
There are a number of Internet fund drives that have been directed at bringing about changes in destructive fishing methods in Southeast Asia. You must have witnessed the successful fund drive organized by MSI (Mary Middlebrook) that sends netting directly to the Philippines, and possibly Indonesia as well. AMDA has an ongoing fund drive to supply and/or train fishers in the Philippines and Indonesia. You regularly converse with importers, wholesalers and retailers in this forum who regularly express their commitment and support of good practices.
The Marine Aquarium Council has organized a who's who of international marine aquarium industry stakeholders who are dedicated to supporting a reformed trade. There are certainly many important industry figures who would like to do something and are simply looking or waiting for a way to go about this.
Your suggestions of radical knee-jerk moves to bring about your ideals are not well received. By suggesting that Greenpeace be involved, you have identified yourself as a renegade vigilante. Threatening immediate bans or ultra-strict regulations by governments is no good way to bring about changes.
Rather than stridently declaring that "industry" is doing nothing. You should have asked the question, "What is industry doing, and what more can be done?"
You have done a great disservice by entirely overlooking or disregarding the many efforts and actions of the international marine aquarium industry to bring about changes towards the reform that is often spoke of in this forum.
There are a number of Internet fund drives that have been directed at bringing about changes in destructive fishing methods in Southeast Asia. You must have witnessed the successful fund drive organized by MSI (Mary Middlebrook) that sends netting directly to the Philippines, and possibly Indonesia as well. AMDA has an ongoing fund drive to supply and/or train fishers in the Philippines and Indonesia. You regularly converse with importers, wholesalers and retailers in this forum who regularly express their commitment and support of good practices.
The Marine Aquarium Council has organized a who's who of international marine aquarium industry stakeholders who are dedicated to supporting a reformed trade. There are certainly many important industry figures who would like to do something and are simply looking or waiting for a way to go about this.
Your suggestions of radical knee-jerk moves to bring about your ideals are not well received. By suggesting that Greenpeace be involved, you have identified yourself as a renegade vigilante. Threatening immediate bans or ultra-strict regulations by governments is no good way to bring about changes.
Rather than stridently declaring that "industry" is doing nothing. You should have asked the question, "What is industry doing, and what more can be done?"
John_Brandt":3u4jrokd said:Mary,
I agree with you completely and have engaged the MASNA board of directors to discuss the propriety of having this link on our website. I strongly feel that Wayne Ryan's premise, conclusions and suggestions are highly flawed. He has entirely disregarded good efforts by industry, as you have pointed out.
Please understand that the posting of that link on the website was not arrived at by any consensus of MASNA's directorate.
I am stunned you posted this.
The membership of MASNA, a hobbyist association, has the right to be informed.
Some members may not agree with the reform position but they have the right to know about this thread.
Industry Operators Committed to Becoming MAC Certified
Updated May 15, 2003
The following industry operators (listed by country) have signed Statements of Commitment to become MAC Certified as soon as possible. The companies that have achieved this goal have '[MAC CERTIFIED]' by their name. For additional information on these MAC Certified companies, click here.
The trade associations listed below are committed to promoting MAC Certification among their members. Click on the trade association names to read their individual commitments.
TRADE ASSOCIATIONS
American Marinelife Dealers Association (AMDA)
Asosiasi Koral Kerang dan Ikan Hias Indonesia (AKKII)
(Indonesia Coral, Shell and Ornamental Fish Association)
Ornamental Fish International (OFI)
Philippine Tropical Fish Exporters Association (PTFEA)
INDUSTRY OPERATORS
Australia
Aquarium Imports Pty. Ltd.
Tel: +61 2 9773-5855
Fax: +61 2 9773-3396
Email: [email protected]
Aquatic Biodiversity Group
Tel: +61 3 6229-3860
Fax: + 61 3 6229-3871
Email: [email protected]
Bahrain
Bahrain Aqualife Centre
Tel: +973 732-773
Fax: + 973 732-770
Email: [email protected]
Belau
Belau Aquaculture
Email: [email protected]
Brazil
BRAZILMAR
Tel: +55 85 99896278
Fax: +55 85 2728171
Email: [email protected]
Canada
Coast Mountain Aquatics Ltd. [MAC CERTIFIED]
Tel: 604 244-0670
Fax: 604 244-0675
Email: [email protected]
Fiji
Aquarium Fish (Fiji) Ltd
Tel: +679 450-334
Fax: +679 450-493
Email: [email protected]
Ocean 2000 Ltd
Tel: +679 322-494
Fax: +679 322-495
Email: [email protected]
Tropical Fish Fiji Limited
Tel: +679 361-074
Fax: +679 361-085
Email: [email protected]
Walt Smith International (Fiji) Ltd
Tel: +679 665-045
Fax: +679 667-591
Email: [email protected]
Waterlife Exporters (Fiji) Ltd.
Tel: +679 362-370; +679 930-001 (cell)
Email: [email protected], [email protected]
France
Amblard Overseas Trading S.A.
Tel: +33 563982009
Fax: +33 563612491
Email: [email protected]
Germany
FaunaMarin GmbH
Tel: +49 0171 4069311
Fax: +49 0711 770596-44
Email: [email protected]
Flora 2000 GmbH und Co Kg
Tel: +49 0711 770596-32
[email protected]
Holland
Sierviskwekerij Waterweelde B.V.
Tel: +31 70 404-1783
Fax: +31 70 404-1784
Email: [email protected]
Indonesia
Bahtera LEStari
Tel: +62 361 242-405
Fax: +62 361 242-405
Email: [email protected]
Banyu Biru, CV
Tel: +62 21 725-3417
Fax: +62 21 720-0509
Email: [email protected]
Blue Star Aquatic, CV
Tel: +62 21 7369-2738
Fax: +62 21 7369-1875
Email: [email protected]
Dinar, CV
Tel: +62 21 555-8476, 5595-3869, 5595-3875
Fax: +62 21 555-8477, 5595-3870
Email: [email protected]
Golden Marindo Persada, PT
Tel: +62 21 5593-1336
Fax: +62 21 5593-0938
Email: [email protected]
Neptune Marine Products, CV
Tel: +1 201 934-8195 (US contact)
Fax: +1 201 934-7935 (US contact)
Email: [email protected]
Israel
Coral Island Ltd
Tel: +972 9 861-7339
Fax: +972 9 862-8015
Email: [email protected]
Norway
Bjolsen Akvarium AS
Tel: +47 22183162
Fax: +47 22950605
Email: [email protected]
Philippines
Aqua-Integrated Marine Prods. Inc.
Tel.: +63 2 832-2135; +63 2 832-5598
Fax: +63 2 832-5454
Aquamarine Fishes of D' World Enterprise
Tel: +63 2 829-2942
Aquarium Habitat Enterprise [MAC CERTIFIED]
Tel: +63 2 723-8174
Fax: +63 2 721-6392
Email: [email protected]
Aquascapes Philippines Co. [MAC CERTIFIED]
Tel: +63 2 715-1036/7
Fax: +63 2 715-1034
Email: [email protected]
Brem Marine
Tel: +63 2 833-4192
Fax: +63 2 832-0995
Email: [email protected]
C. Y. Y. Marine Company
Tel: +63 2 541-4030; +63 2 826-0993
Fax: +63 2 541-4095
HD Marine World [MAC CERTIFIED]
Tel: +63 2 824-7568; +63 2 821-6750
Fax: +63 2 824-7566
Email: [email protected]
International Southern Pacific Trading Corp.
Tel: +63 2 821-6002
Fax: +63 2 822-1468
Landmark Trading Corp.
Tel: +63 2 852-6210
Fax +63 2 851-2337
Oriental Marine Products
Tel: +63 2 831-5480
Palauig Aquarium Association
Tel: +63 917 392-1711
Paqualife Corp.
Tel: +63 2 851-2451; +63 2 851-1531
Samahang Mag-Aakuaryum
Seaworld Commercial Trading Corp.
Tel: +63 2 853-3567; +63 2 853-3568
Fax: +63 2 853-3568
Seiei International Seafood Ent.
Tel: +63 2 827-6018
Fax: +63 2 826-9836
Seri International Enterprises
Tel: +63 2 826-9687
S R Flying Fish Philippines
Tel: +63 2 820-4647; +63 2 825-8834
Tailin Marine Products Exporter
Tel: +63 2 825-6757; +63 2 829-6601
V. N. Tropical Marine Products
Tel: +63 2 820-7393
Fax +63 2 826-1205
Solomon Islands
Aquarium Arts (SI) Ltd.
Tel: +677 38498
Fax: +677-38499
Email: [email protected]
Solomon Islands Marine Exports
Tel: +677 39132
Fax: +677 39132
Spain
Barcelona Marine Farm S.L.
Tel: +00 34 93 4354775
Fax: +00 34 93 4557263
Email: [email protected]
Taiwan
Joyhob Co., Ltd.
Tel: 886-2-22555776
Fax: 886-2-82513981
Email: [email protected]
United Kingdom
Coral Reef Aquaria
Tel: +44 07719 904471
Fax: +44 01277 622080
Email:[email protected]
The Green Quay
Email: [email protected]
Just Marine Imports Ltd.
Tel: +44 1252 548000
Fax:+44 1252 548000
Email: [email protected]
USA, California
Arsian Imports, Inc.
Tel: +1 310 838-3529
Fax: +1 310 838-1620
Email: [email protected]
Coast Tropicals
Tel: +1 310 768-8243
Fax: +1 310 768-2039
Email: [email protected]
ERI International
Tel: +1 310 648-7258
Fax: +1 310 648-7611
Email: [email protected]
LA Ornamental
Tel: +1 310 675-9844
Fax: +1 310 675-3140
Email: [email protected]
Marine Specialties International
Tel: +1 805 986-4301
Fax: +1 805 986-4302
Email: [email protected]
Ocean-2-Ocean
Tel: +1 310 645-2828
Fax: +1 310 645-3232
Email: [email protected]
Pacific Aqua Farms
Tel: +1 310 215 3474
Fax: +1 310 215-1107
Email: [email protected]
Quality Marine [MAC CERTIFIED]
Tel: +1 310 645-1107
Fax: +1 310 670-8837
Email: [email protected]
Sea Dwelling Creatures, Inc.
Tel: +1 310 676-9697
Fax: +1 310 676-9699
Email: [email protected]
The Ocean Floor
Tel: +1 805 962-4488
Email: [email protected]
Underwater World
Tel: +1 310 670-1502
Email: [email protected]
USA, Florida
Aqua Tecture
Tel: +1 561 357-7908
Fax: +1 772 673-3389
Email: [email protected]
Segrest Farms
Tel: +1 813 677-9196
Fax: +1 813 677-4117
Email: [email protected]
USA, Georgia
Sun Pet, Ltd.
Tel: +1 800 996-1181; +1 404 761-7260
USA, Illinois
Living Seas Aquarium [MAC CERTIFIED]
Tel: +1 847 698-7258
Email: [email protected]
USA, Indiana
Harbor Aquatics
Tel: +1 219 764-4404
Fax: +1 219 763-4866
Email: [email protected]
USA, Maine
Monkey River Research Foundation of Maine and Belize
Tel: +1 207 342-2768
Email: [email protected]
USA, Michigan
A & M Aquatics [MAC CERTIFIED]
Tel: +1 517 372-7811
Fax: +1 517 372-7817
Email: [email protected]
AquaScapes/The Reef Shop [MAC CERTIFIED]
Tel: +1 616 323-3271
Fax: +1 616 323-7438
Email: [email protected]
The Coral Reef Tropical Fish Inc.
Tel: +1 616 363-6835
Fax: +1 616 363-6884
Email: [email protected]
Preuss Animal House [MAC CERTIFIED]
Tel: +1 517 339-1762
Fax: +1 517 339-9520
Email: [email protected]
USA, Minnesota
Reef Resources
Tel: +1 763 571-3009
Fax: +1 763 571-8484
Email: [email protected]
USA, New Jersey
Marine Wholesale, Inc
Tel: +1 201 934-8195
Fax: +1 201 934-7935
Email: [email protected]
USA, New York
Global Marine Transhippers, Inc
Tel: +1 845 783-9760
Fax: +1 845 783-1435
Email: [email protected]
USA, Oregon
Java West Aquatics Inc.
Tel.: +1 503 639-7683
Fax: +1 503 624-8209
Email: [email protected]
USA, South Carolina
Fins
Tel: +1 803 781-7044
Fax: +1 803 781-7247
Email: [email protected]
USA, Virginia
The Marine Scene
Tel: +1 703 689-2815
Fax: +1 703 689-2188
Email: [email protected]
USA, Wisconsin
Drs Foster and Smith
Tel: +1 715 369-3305; +1 715 369-2022
Fax: +1 703 689-2188
Email: [email protected]
More information on these commitments here: http://www.aquariumcouncil.org/subpage.asp?page=167§ion=3
Updated May 15, 2003
The following industry operators (listed by country) have signed Statements of Commitment to become MAC Certified as soon as possible. The companies that have achieved this goal have '[MAC CERTIFIED]' by their name. For additional information on these MAC Certified companies, click here.
The trade associations listed below are committed to promoting MAC Certification among their members. Click on the trade association names to read their individual commitments.
TRADE ASSOCIATIONS
American Marinelife Dealers Association (AMDA)
Asosiasi Koral Kerang dan Ikan Hias Indonesia (AKKII)
(Indonesia Coral, Shell and Ornamental Fish Association)
Ornamental Fish International (OFI)
Philippine Tropical Fish Exporters Association (PTFEA)
INDUSTRY OPERATORS
Australia
Aquarium Imports Pty. Ltd.
Tel: +61 2 9773-5855
Fax: +61 2 9773-3396
Email: [email protected]
Aquatic Biodiversity Group
Tel: +61 3 6229-3860
Fax: + 61 3 6229-3871
Email: [email protected]
Bahrain
Bahrain Aqualife Centre
Tel: +973 732-773
Fax: + 973 732-770
Email: [email protected]
Belau
Belau Aquaculture
Email: [email protected]
Brazil
BRAZILMAR
Tel: +55 85 99896278
Fax: +55 85 2728171
Email: [email protected]
Canada
Coast Mountain Aquatics Ltd. [MAC CERTIFIED]
Tel: 604 244-0670
Fax: 604 244-0675
Email: [email protected]
Fiji
Aquarium Fish (Fiji) Ltd
Tel: +679 450-334
Fax: +679 450-493
Email: [email protected]
Ocean 2000 Ltd
Tel: +679 322-494
Fax: +679 322-495
Email: [email protected]
Tropical Fish Fiji Limited
Tel: +679 361-074
Fax: +679 361-085
Email: [email protected]
Walt Smith International (Fiji) Ltd
Tel: +679 665-045
Fax: +679 667-591
Email: [email protected]
Waterlife Exporters (Fiji) Ltd.
Tel: +679 362-370; +679 930-001 (cell)
Email: [email protected], [email protected]
France
Amblard Overseas Trading S.A.
Tel: +33 563982009
Fax: +33 563612491
Email: [email protected]
Germany
FaunaMarin GmbH
Tel: +49 0171 4069311
Fax: +49 0711 770596-44
Email: [email protected]
Flora 2000 GmbH und Co Kg
Tel: +49 0711 770596-32
[email protected]
Holland
Sierviskwekerij Waterweelde B.V.
Tel: +31 70 404-1783
Fax: +31 70 404-1784
Email: [email protected]
Indonesia
Bahtera LEStari
Tel: +62 361 242-405
Fax: +62 361 242-405
Email: [email protected]
Banyu Biru, CV
Tel: +62 21 725-3417
Fax: +62 21 720-0509
Email: [email protected]
Blue Star Aquatic, CV
Tel: +62 21 7369-2738
Fax: +62 21 7369-1875
Email: [email protected]
Dinar, CV
Tel: +62 21 555-8476, 5595-3869, 5595-3875
Fax: +62 21 555-8477, 5595-3870
Email: [email protected]
Golden Marindo Persada, PT
Tel: +62 21 5593-1336
Fax: +62 21 5593-0938
Email: [email protected]
Neptune Marine Products, CV
Tel: +1 201 934-8195 (US contact)
Fax: +1 201 934-7935 (US contact)
Email: [email protected]
Israel
Coral Island Ltd
Tel: +972 9 861-7339
Fax: +972 9 862-8015
Email: [email protected]
Norway
Bjolsen Akvarium AS
Tel: +47 22183162
Fax: +47 22950605
Email: [email protected]
Philippines
Aqua-Integrated Marine Prods. Inc.
Tel.: +63 2 832-2135; +63 2 832-5598
Fax: +63 2 832-5454
Aquamarine Fishes of D' World Enterprise
Tel: +63 2 829-2942
Aquarium Habitat Enterprise [MAC CERTIFIED]
Tel: +63 2 723-8174
Fax: +63 2 721-6392
Email: [email protected]
Aquascapes Philippines Co. [MAC CERTIFIED]
Tel: +63 2 715-1036/7
Fax: +63 2 715-1034
Email: [email protected]
Brem Marine
Tel: +63 2 833-4192
Fax: +63 2 832-0995
Email: [email protected]
C. Y. Y. Marine Company
Tel: +63 2 541-4030; +63 2 826-0993
Fax: +63 2 541-4095
HD Marine World [MAC CERTIFIED]
Tel: +63 2 824-7568; +63 2 821-6750
Fax: +63 2 824-7566
Email: [email protected]
International Southern Pacific Trading Corp.
Tel: +63 2 821-6002
Fax: +63 2 822-1468
Landmark Trading Corp.
Tel: +63 2 852-6210
Fax +63 2 851-2337
Oriental Marine Products
Tel: +63 2 831-5480
Palauig Aquarium Association
Tel: +63 917 392-1711
Paqualife Corp.
Tel: +63 2 851-2451; +63 2 851-1531
Samahang Mag-Aakuaryum
Seaworld Commercial Trading Corp.
Tel: +63 2 853-3567; +63 2 853-3568
Fax: +63 2 853-3568
Seiei International Seafood Ent.
Tel: +63 2 827-6018
Fax: +63 2 826-9836
Seri International Enterprises
Tel: +63 2 826-9687
S R Flying Fish Philippines
Tel: +63 2 820-4647; +63 2 825-8834
Tailin Marine Products Exporter
Tel: +63 2 825-6757; +63 2 829-6601
V. N. Tropical Marine Products
Tel: +63 2 820-7393
Fax +63 2 826-1205
Solomon Islands
Aquarium Arts (SI) Ltd.
Tel: +677 38498
Fax: +677-38499
Email: [email protected]
Solomon Islands Marine Exports
Tel: +677 39132
Fax: +677 39132
Spain
Barcelona Marine Farm S.L.
Tel: +00 34 93 4354775
Fax: +00 34 93 4557263
Email: [email protected]
Taiwan
Joyhob Co., Ltd.
Tel: 886-2-22555776
Fax: 886-2-82513981
Email: [email protected]
United Kingdom
Coral Reef Aquaria
Tel: +44 07719 904471
Fax: +44 01277 622080
Email:[email protected]
The Green Quay
Email: [email protected]
Just Marine Imports Ltd.
Tel: +44 1252 548000
Fax:+44 1252 548000
Email: [email protected]
USA, California
Arsian Imports, Inc.
Tel: +1 310 838-3529
Fax: +1 310 838-1620
Email: [email protected]
Coast Tropicals
Tel: +1 310 768-8243
Fax: +1 310 768-2039
Email: [email protected]
ERI International
Tel: +1 310 648-7258
Fax: +1 310 648-7611
Email: [email protected]
LA Ornamental
Tel: +1 310 675-9844
Fax: +1 310 675-3140
Email: [email protected]
Marine Specialties International
Tel: +1 805 986-4301
Fax: +1 805 986-4302
Email: [email protected]
Ocean-2-Ocean
Tel: +1 310 645-2828
Fax: +1 310 645-3232
Email: [email protected]
Pacific Aqua Farms
Tel: +1 310 215 3474
Fax: +1 310 215-1107
Email: [email protected]
Quality Marine [MAC CERTIFIED]
Tel: +1 310 645-1107
Fax: +1 310 670-8837
Email: [email protected]
Sea Dwelling Creatures, Inc.
Tel: +1 310 676-9697
Fax: +1 310 676-9699
Email: [email protected]
The Ocean Floor
Tel: +1 805 962-4488
Email: [email protected]
Underwater World
Tel: +1 310 670-1502
Email: [email protected]
USA, Florida
Aqua Tecture
Tel: +1 561 357-7908
Fax: +1 772 673-3389
Email: [email protected]
Segrest Farms
Tel: +1 813 677-9196
Fax: +1 813 677-4117
Email: [email protected]
USA, Georgia
Sun Pet, Ltd.
Tel: +1 800 996-1181; +1 404 761-7260
USA, Illinois
Living Seas Aquarium [MAC CERTIFIED]
Tel: +1 847 698-7258
Email: [email protected]
USA, Indiana
Harbor Aquatics
Tel: +1 219 764-4404
Fax: +1 219 763-4866
Email: [email protected]
USA, Maine
Monkey River Research Foundation of Maine and Belize
Tel: +1 207 342-2768
Email: [email protected]
USA, Michigan
A & M Aquatics [MAC CERTIFIED]
Tel: +1 517 372-7811
Fax: +1 517 372-7817
Email: [email protected]
AquaScapes/The Reef Shop [MAC CERTIFIED]
Tel: +1 616 323-3271
Fax: +1 616 323-7438
Email: [email protected]
The Coral Reef Tropical Fish Inc.
Tel: +1 616 363-6835
Fax: +1 616 363-6884
Email: [email protected]
Preuss Animal House [MAC CERTIFIED]
Tel: +1 517 339-1762
Fax: +1 517 339-9520
Email: [email protected]
USA, Minnesota
Reef Resources
Tel: +1 763 571-3009
Fax: +1 763 571-8484
Email: [email protected]
USA, New Jersey
Marine Wholesale, Inc
Tel: +1 201 934-8195
Fax: +1 201 934-7935
Email: [email protected]
USA, New York
Global Marine Transhippers, Inc
Tel: +1 845 783-9760
Fax: +1 845 783-1435
Email: [email protected]
USA, Oregon
Java West Aquatics Inc.
Tel.: +1 503 639-7683
Fax: +1 503 624-8209
Email: [email protected]
USA, South Carolina
Fins
Tel: +1 803 781-7044
Fax: +1 803 781-7247
Email: [email protected]
USA, Virginia
The Marine Scene
Tel: +1 703 689-2815
Fax: +1 703 689-2188
Email: [email protected]
USA, Wisconsin
Drs Foster and Smith
Tel: +1 715 369-3305; +1 715 369-2022
Fax: +1 703 689-2188
Email: [email protected]
More information on these commitments here: http://www.aquariumcouncil.org/subpage.asp?page=167§ion=3
Join us, Mary or join them.
You are portraying two sides with this statement. Their side, where cyanide use is the norm, or your side, where radical means are used to destroy everything- both good and bad. I refuse to join either side, as both are seriously flawed in thinking. I prefer to remain in the middle, where industry reform is taking place as we speak and changes in a positive direction are being made everyday. I prefer to focus my efforts there. It's the only place that will create true reform.
John_Brandt":3p17ijz0 said:Wayne (naesco),
You have done a great disservice by entirely overlooking or disregarding the many efforts and actions of the international marine aquarium industry to bring about changes towards the reform that is often spoke of in this forum.
There are a number of Internet fund drives that have been directed at bringing about changes in destructive fishing methods in Southeast Asia. You must have witnessed the successful fund drive organized by MSI (Mary Middlebrook) that sends netting directly to the Philippines, and possibly Indonesia as well. AMDA has an ongoing fund drive to supply and/or train fishers in the Philippines and Indonesia. You regularly converse with importers, wholesalers and retailers in this forum who regularly express their commitment and support of good practices.
The Marine Aquarium Council has organized a who's who of international marine aquarium industry stakeholders who are dedicated to supporting a reformed trade. There are certainly many important industry figures who would like to do something and are simply looking or waiting for a way to go about this.
Your suggestions of radical knee-jerk moves to bring about your ideals are not well received. By suggesting that Greenpeace be involved, you have identified yourself as a renegade vigilante. Threatening immediate bans or ultra-strict regulations by governments is no good way to bring about changes.
Rather than stridently declaring that "industry" is doing nothing. You should have asked the question, "What is industry doing, and what more can be done?"
I supported the fund as did MASNA, the hobbyist association. Most of the $3,000.00 odd dollars raised came from hobbyists, John
You have no idea of the support reform has in its goal to stop the import of cyanide fish into North America. Who, other than industry, can oppose that?
You have no idea of the support reform has in its goal in stopping the import of impossible to keep species of fish and coral? Who other than industry would oppose that?
You say industry is prepared to change. Than, let us here from them!
MaryHM":uj0d1jzu said:Join us, Mary or join them.
You are portraying two sides with this statement. Their side, where cyanide use is the norm, or your side, where radical means are used to destroy everything- both good and bad. I refuse to join either side, as both are seriously flawed in thinking. I prefer to remain in the middle, where industry reform is taking place as we speak and changes in a positive direction are being made everyday. I prefer to focus my efforts there. It's the only place that will create true reform.
Destroy what Mary?
Reform is talking about the possibity of an embargo against cyanide fish from the Philippines and Indonesia. How can you not support that?
naesco":fxe5bu8u said:John_Brandt":fxe5bu8u said:Mary,
I agree with you completely and have engaged the MASNA board of directors to discuss the propriety of having this link on our website. I strongly feel that Wayne Ryan's premise, conclusions and suggestions are highly flawed. He has entirely disregarded good efforts by industry, as you have pointed out.
Please understand that the posting of that link on the website was not arrived at by any consensus of MASNA's directorate.
I am stunned you posted this.
The membership of MASNA, a hobbyist association, has the right to be informed.
Some members may not agree with the reform position but they have the right to know about this thread.
Wayne,
Of course hobbyists have a right to be informed. But you are not informing them. You are singularly trying to organize a radical take-no-prisoners approach to reform that is simply misdirected.
Of all of the board of directors of MASNA, my position is the one most directly related to this issue. I cannot possibly support your position and recommendations. Your heart is in the right place, but your methods and means of community motivation need refinement. Please try to control yourself Wayne, there are people with your ideals working on this problem right now.
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