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coralfarmin

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I see livestock wholesalers that openly retail and wholesale their livestock.
I was always under the impression this is a no no.

The wholesaler cheery picks the best stock then sells it at retail price, then whats left they send to retailers who have to try to compete with them with stock that is less desirable.

Is this fair?
 

danieldm

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Do you mean like Reefer Madness working out of Pacific Aquafarms, or MarineDepotLive filling their daily orders directly out of LA wholesalers, or Dr. Fosters & Smith also filling their daily orders directly out of the LA wholesalers? etc.,etc.,etc....

Or, do you mean just in general terms? Yes, it is a bad business practice to sell wholesale to the retail side, and then under the table retail out the back door as well.
 

coralfarmin

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one here actualy has a retail online store but wont even sell to online retailers

is that hipacritical or what????imo yes
 

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Coralfarmin - you indeed have your facts wrong. The wholesalers that frequent this forum will gladly sell to online retailers.....but you best damn be doing it full time with a retail store front open full time as well. Until you make the leap into a store, you just gotta suck it up and deal with all the really crappy wholesalers that sell wholesale/retail/etail/ and let every jobber and "friend" cherry pick.

But believe me, the wholesalers that represent themselves on this forum are THE BEST the indusrty has, bar none, hands down.
 

coralfarmin

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What if you are a coral farmer with as much or more overhead than a retail store front?

my point is how is it fair to retail(online) the best stock and send the less desirables out to the store fronts

my plans for a commercial greenhouse are initaly much higher of a investment than a retail store.The gas bill alone could run as high as a lease per year on a store front.
 

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Coralfarmin,
I know what you mean about the investment of a commercial GH. I have invested a large sum of money on mine and don't even have it half finished. And there is 1 wholesaler here that would not sell to me because I didn't have a store front. And I am wholesale only and I don't sell over the internet.

Kinda crazy!
 

coralfarmin

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funny you posted here ...I actualy have a place right near you that a faimly member resides and planned to drop in on you in march...I think we even bought some tropical foliage from you for a party we had in Plantation 2 years ago..but I did not know you were a coral farmer as well since it was deliverd

I actualy now have a 2 page list of wholesalers now from east to west coast so this one in paticular is not of any concern to me...heck my facility will probably be larger than theirs before all is said and done :lol:

they need to catch up with the times imo

logical reef...whats the differance between cherry pickers/jobbers visting a wholesaler and the wholesaler doing the cherry picking for themselfs then posting it to their own retail online site...???????imo the second is worse since they are buying below wholesale then jacking up to retail
 

logicalreef

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Hey Treeman, hope all is well down in the tropics! :)

Coralfarmin - Please dont take my prior post as me taking sides, was just butting in with a correction (in my mind) to your post. Believe me, I was once out here a couple times, freaking out on Steve, Mary, and the gang at what I thought was purely an anti-etail stance they had.
I too thought, "Man, these people need to get with the times, etail is much smarter than doing the whole fish store thing that always seems to fail, get slammed online for no knowledge, carry only sick fish and brown corals, and ovecharge out the you know what!"
I knew (or thought I knew) what I was putting into my etail only business at the time was tons of hours and sacrifices and how dare these folks tell me I'm not really doing anyone a favor, and actually hurting the trade.
I took that stuff personally, and reacted emotionally out here. I stand corrected now! :)
My stance still is that etail is a bit of a necessary evil. Example...a customer of mine may be in the middle of nowhere Iowa, or anywhere USA with no LFS for hours! Maybe not even their fault, but their spouses relocation placed them far from any decent stores. Should they not be allowed to enjoy the hobby ...of course they should...so I think etail is great for those situations.
Flip side that I now see that I didn't before. Is that etail only serves a small percentage of the existing hobbyists. It really does absolutely nothing to expand the hobby and get more people involved. Thats what a good local fish store can do. And that has to happen or the hobby base stays stagnant, or worse, deteriorates.

Anyhow, my thoughts on your last question. No, I don't think a wholesaler that orders some stuff in to sell retail...even etail is wrong as long as they are up front about it. Then it's our choices who to support. I know it may appear they cherry pick just for them...but as a supporter of your implied wholesaler, I know that even us small little stores can order that red yuma, green/red blasto, etc. I really depise the etail giants that dont house or even see their product they sell. And then sell at an ungodly price..that pisses me off, but thats for another day :)

I too am involved on a project of 35-60 acres of greenhouses, control rooms, and coral gene pooling projects. May be years until its complete, and part of the goal is to be able to re-seed reefs around the world damaged by fishing vessels, over collection, dynamite, tourism, etc. But, our team also counts on the hobby growing, more LFS's opening, etc.

Ok, its early, I need coffee and realize I probably just wrote way too much!

Peace, Bryan
 

coralfarmin

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bryan
it is still the epitome of hypocracy imo to etail then discriminate on etailers..it just makes no sense at all

Edward
 

coralfarmin

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if something like hr 4928 happens how will a LFS come even close to competing with a greenhouse facility on private property,if the goal is sustaining the hobby??????
 

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The house bill inspired by the NGO that would be king is DOA, but there will be more.
Its the very business of these folks to force themselves into this house and they will always try...and masquerade as people who 'care more than others.' People who care...with only heresay to guide them and a secret agenda of trying to insure perpetual funding for their cohorts and minions.
The wild side of the business is what has attracted the fire. Cyanide collecting, crow-bar collecting, breaking whole coral colonies to select the symetrical chunks, live rock collecting...etc...
Aquaculture and the growing of corals was always the last thing that came to mind w/ the over-regulators lobby. There is no need to impede corl farming or aquaculture.... but since its a wave of the future there is a perceived opportunity to tax it and ride it. Thats why the field of current eco/industry grioups want to get into that business.
Steve
An aquaculture greenhouse facility needs certifying by "clip-board crusaders" like a race car driver needs to take the basic driving test. Testing him is such a low priority event compared to the ones that really need it.
 

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coralfarmin":goh97x2f said:
if something like hr 4928 happens how will a LFS come even close to competing with a greenhouse facility on private property,if the goal is sustaining the hobby??????

When 4928 is enacted those who try to do something at that time will be too late and forced out of business.

Look at what the wise industry types are doing.
1. They are finding sources for marine life outside of the Philippines and Indonesia where the use of cyanide is rampant. The import of fish from those countries will be prohibited.
AND
2. They are finding sources for aquacultured marine life (or setting up their own).
 

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