When did CITES start giving quotas for maricultured corals?

[Anonymous]

Starts at the bottom of page #20

http://cites.org/common/quotas/2005/quotas2005.pdf
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[Anonymous]

dunno when, but 5 will get you 25 that MAC had something to do with this-remember their talks on the issue during the hawaii coonference ? :wink:

 

[Anonymous]

That seems like an incredible step in the wrong direction.

 

[PeterIMA]

I doubt that the quotas came about because of anything that the MAC has done. My guess is that CITES obtained information from various experts within each country and in other countries.

Peter Rubec

 

[Anonymous]

Seems to just be Indo right now.

Righty, why do you feel the making of seperate mariculutre quotas to be a step in the wrong direction? Under the old system, CITES lumped all coral together. How is that fair? They stipulate a f2 can only be sent out, if what my Bali person is tellin me is correct. I think it's great that they finally acknowledge that there's a difference in mariculture and wild stock.

 

[shawnz28]

Ah that makes sense now. I was unsure how it was exactly setup before. I thought maybe there were little or no stipulations on mariculture or they were completely different before ... maybe thats what Righty was thinking as well?

 

[naesco]

Looks like by using the maricultured category, CITIES is one step away from a total and complete ban on wild coral, allowing only maricultured coral.
To be sure, with industry's track record there will have to be audit-like paperwork or they (industry) will be claiming that all their coral is maricultured.

 

[sdcfish]

Another interesting fact about maricultured items that are listed on cites, including seahorses, is that if you want to apply for a re-export permit and send them out of the country, then you have to send your permit application to Washington D.C, instead of the local US Fish and Wildlife office. Normally a permit would take 2-3 weeks to get back, but Washington takes 3-6 months.....hello!

That is for all cites items that are captive raised.....clams, seahorses, corals, etc.....live rock too....

That just makes taking an order with a customer out of the U.S pretty time consuming eh? I could not believe it when I was told about that about a year ago.

Already we received one back for some clams and has been shipped, but it was a very long process. This process is so impractical logistically....it doesn't make any sense to process this way.

Regards,

Eric

 

[Kalkbreath]

Looks like by using the maricultured category, CITIES is one step away from a total and complete ban on wild coral, allowing only maricultured coral.
To be sure, with industry's track record there will have to be audit-like paperwork or they (industry) will be claiming that all their coral is maricultured.

Every time CITES coral land in or out of the US its a AUDIT-LIKE event .Each shipment is inspected Naesco . The US Fish and Wildlife ceased a shipment of Maricultured Acro corals that were on cement plugs last week . These farmed corals are from an established shipper , small in size and all have great amount of growth on the cement bases.........of all the Marine livestock under the careful watch of the US Fish and Wildlife, Its silly that a few coral frags seems to get the most attention. SPS corals are the most abundant corals in the Sea, .......tiny SPS cuttings are hardly a threat to any reef in Indonesea. ONE Parrot fish snaps more live coral tips then a coral farmer in a given week .

 

[JeremyR]

We aren't going to argue about parrot fish eating habits again are we?

 

[Kalkbreath]

There are some that feel SPS corals use their colored tips to lure parrot fish!..........kinda like a flower uses a bee to help the flower propagate itself. Watch a group of these fish in the wild and one will see that these fish like to investigate any little thing growing on the reef that looks interesting and perhaps tasty. A peck here an chomp there , the more interesting the item looks the more likely one of these fish will take a sample. The main purpose for the varied colored tips of corals like Acropora is to compete for the attention of fish like Bump head parrot fish. A healthy reef has no dead coral and very little algae. These fish also move around in large groups over the reef distributing sand as they process it. It has been said that parrot fish are responsible for eighty percent of the reef sand on Indo Pacific reefs and anyone who has seen these sand grout bags spewing the aragonite out their exits can surely see that it takes qiute a lot of coral to make that much sand. Walt Smith seem to think his artifical reefs and coral racks in Fiji are more parrot fish buffets then coral farms for humans.....
The folks with CITES seem to like to over look the important nature activity coral fraging plays out on the reef.

 

[Anonymous]

There are some that feel SPS corals use their colored tips to lure parrot fish!..........kinda like a flower uses a bee to help the flower propagate itself. Watch a group of these fish in the wild and one will see that these fish like to investigate any little thing growing on the reef that looks interesting and perhaps tasty. A peck here an chomp there , the more interesting the item looks the more likely one of these fish will take a sample. The main purpose for the varied colored tips of corals like Acropora is to compete for the attention of fish like Bump head parrot fish. A healthy reef has no dead coral and very little algae. These fish also move around in large groups over the reef distributing sand as they process it. It has been said that parrot fish are responsible for eighty percent of the reef sand on Indo Pacific reefs and anyone who has seen these sand grout bags spewing the aragonite out their exits can surely see that it takes qiute a lot of coral to make that much sand. Walt Smith seem to think his artifical reefs and coral racks in Fiji are more parrot fish buffets then coral farms for humans.....
The folks with CITES seem to like to over look the important nature activity coral fraging plays out on the reef.

it's not that they're overlooking anything, they are specifically dealing with another issue, a fact you seem to continually fail to grasp, and one that precludes using one unrelated set of causes and effects to deal with another set (e.g.-using one set of 'damages' to justify the continuation of another set with different causes)

do you have a problem dealing with the concept of personal responsibility?

should someone be allowed to abuse their kids if they know that someone else will anyway? :roll:

 

[JeremyR]

Are you against ocean "aquaculture" as it currently is done vitz?

 

[Anonymous]

Yah yah yah, I know, every calls maricultured corals aquacultured, but hey, I'm the only one who didn't jump off the cliff

Damn, the parrot fish ticket, I forgot about that one.

 

[Anonymous]

Are you against ocean "aquaculture" as it currently is done vitz?

which method/mode are you reffering to? there are many, for different types of critters :wink:


i've worked as a fish farmer, and loved it, why would i be against aquaculture in general ?

 

[Anonymous]

addendum...

i'm against any attempt at legislating/regulating of any non environmentally damaging method of aquaculture that is enacted simply for providing revenue for the legislators/regulators, or that impedes the development of said methods, at the expense of mitigating the beneficial environmental effects of saving wildstock via aquaculture :wink:

 

[Anonymous]

addendum...

i'm against any attempt at legislating/regulating of any non environmentally damaging method of aquaculture that is enacted simply for providing revenue for the legislators/regulators, or that impedes the development of said methods, at the expense of mitigating the beneficial environmental effects of saving wildstock via aquaculture :wink:

Quote of the year

 

[Anonymous]

heh


should be the credo of EVERY reef related NGO :wink:

 

[clarionreef]

Stopping aquaculture efforts until tribute is paid to Ceasar reveals and defines Ceasar.



In Philippines, the produce of clam culture and coral culture is held hostage to validating BY MAC.
Their own country co-ordinator has kept it from happening all this time and will save it for the time when it will serve MACs agenda.
It will be a reward for exporters who play ball with MAC...AND A PUNISHMENT FOR THOSE WHO DON'T.

AS HAS BEEN PARROTED BY THEM TO MANY PEOPLE;
" NETCAUGHT FISH MEAN NOTHING WITH OUT OUR CERTIFICATION..."
AND CLAM AND CORALS AS WELL.
ITS NOT ABOUT SUSTAINABLE FISHERIES...ITS ABOUT SUSTAINING NO GO's..
STEVE