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jsbradbury

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Hi all, I'm new to this hobby and site and just had a few questions:

I've had fish tanks all my life (all freshwater) and recently decided to get into the saltwater arena. So far I am extremely stoked and overwhelmed at the same time. I have two saltwater tanks, a 55g reef and a 125g fish only (to be set up in january when i move from a tiny apt to a house). My questions are pretty much related to the reef setup. When I first purchased the tank used, I was given about 50lbs of dead live-rock and purchased another 10lbs after being told the coraline algea would spread rapidly to the dead rock. I started with about 50lbs of crushed coral, but after extensive reading here am planning to put that into the 125g and go with some finer live sand. Where I am most concerned is in my filtration. I am currently running an Aqua-Clear 500 and a protien skimmer (no idea what brand as it was used, and all stickers had been removed- kind of looks like a berlin just because of coloration). Is a plenum set up really all it's cracked up to be? Do I need the Aqua-Clear at all? I understand the LR and LS will do a lot of the biological filtration, but after 4 months havn't seen the coraline algea spread, just lots of diatom or red algea growing. I've been adding the B-Ionic to increase calcium in hopes of a healthier tank. Currently I have three smaller damsels: 1 blue, 1 yellow-tail and 1 four stripe, 2 huge, 4"+ domino damsels and a snowflake eel. (The eel and large damsels are going in the big tank cause I want it mostly aggressive) So I'm not too concerned if everything has to die or go back to the LFS in order to make the tank more healthy to support more life in the long run.

Two other simplier (hopefully) questions. I'm looking to maximize water flow are the SQWD's any good, or are the Powersweeps ok? And secondly what's the most ideal temperature range to keep both tanks at? I've heard anywhere from 72 to 88 and was looking for something more specific.

Any help would be appreciated. So far I've been greatly impressed with these forums, the amount of knowledge and friendlyness to us stupid newbies :wink: and plan on taking advantage of them and hopefully contributing in the near future.

Thanks again,

Scott
 

ChrisRD

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Hi Scott and welcome to Reefs.Org.:)

jsbradbury":2r8sdsn4 said:
Is a plenum set up really all it's cracked up to be?

IMO, no. Your live rock and a good protein skimmer are adequate filtration. You can leave the tank barebottom, add some sand for aesthetics, or you can go with a deep sand bed (DSB) - all are proven methods. Check our library resources here and do some searches on the board and you'll find loads of information on these topics. Also, a book or two from our recommended reading list (also in the library) will be very helpful.

jsbradbury":2r8sdsn4 said:
Do I need the Aqua-Clear at all?

No. You can keep it around to run carbon periodically, but there's no need to run it continously - just something else to clean and maintain.

jsbradbury":2r8sdsn4 said:
I understand the LR and LS will do a lot of the biological filtration

They will do ALL the biological filtration.

jsbradbury":2r8sdsn4 said:
after 4 months havn't seen the coraline algea spread, just lots of diatom or red algea growing. I've been adding the B-Ionic to increase calcium in hopes of a healthier tank.

The diatoms and some red slime are normal appearances in a new tank. Keep up with your skimming and water changes and they will pass. Keep you circulation high - several powerheads and possibly a wavemaker. Topping off evaporation with kalkwasser will help with water quality IME and will help stimulate coralline growth. Also, taking a piece of rock and scraping some coralline off underwater in front of a powerhead will help distribute it around the tank more.

jsbradbury":2r8sdsn4 said:
I'm not too concerned if everything has to die or go back to the LFS in order to make the tank more healthy to support more life in the long run.

The first part of this sentence sounds really bad...LOL. Not sure if that's how you intended to say it or not...;) IMO moving ALL the damsels and the eel into the large fish-only setup is a good idea. There are lots of small, peaceful, colorful fish you can choose from to put in your reef. If you leave any of the damsels in, they'll become a problem when they get older/larger and you won't be able to catch them out of a fully stocked reef tank.

jsbradbury":2r8sdsn4 said:
are the SQWD's any good, or are the Powersweeps ok?
Folks seem to be having good results with the SCWDs. I wouldn't recommend the Powersweeps as they are notorious for failing (no sweep action) fairly quickly.

jsbradbury":2r8sdsn4 said:
what's the most ideal temperature range to keep both tanks at? I've heard anywhere from 72 to 88 and was looking for something more specific.

It's still a topic of much debate, but I'd say 78-82 is a good range. I run my tank around 79-80 with no problems.
 

jsbradbury

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Yea, i guess i didnt quite mean that thing about them dying to come out the way it did- it was 7am on the west coast after looking at your site for 4 hours, lol. i appreciate the advise and plan on doing a lot more research. none of my LFS sell live sand other than the prepackaged stuff. is this any good, i had one guy tell me there was no way the bacteria could stay alive with no light source during shipping and that it was a waste of money? also, i dont have any friends with reef tanks to steal a cup from, any ideas?
 

ChrisRD

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I agree with the advice that the prepackaged "live" sand is a waste of money. There's nothing in that stuff that's not going to come on your live rock.

Real live sand would be my first choice if I could get it, but like you, it's not readily available for me. Fortunately, you don't need it to have a successful reef tank. If you place an inert sand product in the tank with the live rock it will be seeded with life and bacteria from the rock and eventually become live sand.

For extra diversity (and this is optional IMO) you can also mail order a little bit of live sand to seed the inert sand with - a few pounds should be enough - no sense in paying a ton for shipping large (heavy) quantities IMO. Yet another option is the crud from the bottom of live rock curing tanks. Places like Premium Aquatics sell this stuff and it's loaded with life and is very cheap. Again, a pound or two would be plenty to give your sandbed a "boost".

There are "kits" out there to seed your live sand, refugium, etc. but IMO they are overpriced (I've tried some) for what you get...

HTH
 

Jolieve

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I did as Chris suggested with my tank... placed an inert sand bed in my 75 gallon tank with several pounds of live rock (at the time I had 40 pounds of lr) and within a month or so, it was positively crawling with life. It's a good way to do it if getting live sand is difficult or spendy for you.

You might also ask a couple of local reefkeepers to donate a scoop or two of their live sand from their tanks to seed your sandbed as well. It would certainly be more live than the prepackaged stuff.
 

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