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Len

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Hey Dan.

There's a couple of things I'd do differently with your tank.

First and foremost: The tank is only a week old, so be prepared to wait at least another month (two or more is recommended) before you start adding any other livestock. As you know already, patience is key with marine aquariums. The tank probaly hasn't even begun the cycle yet, so don't assume that because the test kits read 0/0/0 that is is ready. It's always safer to wait longer when it comes to reefkeeping. Sorry if I'm repeating a philosphy you already believe, but it's important enough to make sure it's understood :) BTW, the strange part is you're getting noticable nitrate levels only after a week, with no nitrite or ammonia readings. Was I wrong when I assumed the tank was only a week old?

I recommend you remove the damsels right now (return them for store credit). Once the tank is fully established, it'll be nearly impossible to get them out without wrecking teh whole tank. There is also no need to stress these fish for the sake of cylcing as the tank will naturally cycle with live rock in there. Cycling with damsels is an outdated method that people these days don't like (some detest the practice).

Which leads me to my next suggestion of adding ALL the live rock you ever plan on keepin into the tank right now. It is not a good idea to add live rock once the tank is established with livestock since the new rock may cause an undesirable nutrient spike upon introduction (think of it as a mini, acute cycle)

A S.G. of 1.025 is what I recommend. I'm sure you read that 1.023 is ideal (it appears to me that is what you're aiming for), but natural seawater is really 1.025 and the 1.023 is based on older information.

I don't know what white marine sand is, but I recommend you use 3-4" deep of aragonite based sand. Caribbsea makes really good sand in a range of particulate sizes. I recommend a mixture of sugat-sized sand and Special Grade sand from them. A healthy sandbed can be important to the health of the overall system.

I'd get rid of the sponge filters and biowheels. They aren't necessary in marine aquariums; the live rock and sand will serve as more natural, better biological filters then any sponge or biowheel can.

A few other equipment I recommend:
You should consider a protein skimmer. Protein skimmers are great at removing nutrients and saturating the water with oxygen. I'd get rid of the air stone I see you're currently using as you'll end up with A LOT of salt creep at the top of the tank.

A RO/DI unit if you don't have one. It's important to control what goes into the tank, and having clean water is the first and most important consideration. A RO/DI will ensure this and is worth every dollar.

Better lighting. You've got a choice between Power Compacts, T-5's, VHOs, or Metal halides. If you aren't planning on making this a reef tank, you could stick with what you currently have. But if you want to make this tank a reef tank, your current lighting is not sufficient.

Hope this helps. Let us know if you have any further questions.
 

ricky1414

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i second the biowheel notion. i removed the filter media and the whels. it goes against everything i knew, since i have had fw tanks for over 15 years. i only use my emperor 400 as an overpriced water mover now. but, my water has never been clearer, and my water parameters have greatly improved since. this hobby definately takes patience, but it is finally paying off... good luck with your reef!
 

forestal

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Thanks for the replies.

I did get rid of the airstone.
I wanted to originally add all liverock at once, but was dissuaded by chap at LFS. my bad :oops:

So I will get more live rock - from what i have read, put in a pound per gallon?

Should I wait for algae bloom before adding detritous feeders?

I took out biowheel, as I wish live rock to act as bio filter, but have the powerheads for current, with the sponge filters just for mechanical filtration (and to prevent sucking up any little critter)

My tank is not cycled, and I must have a typo, my nitrates also are 0

I do plan to make this a reef tank, but for now I want just a few critters, fish and inverts(added slowly) to get the hang of it, and once more established, will get better lighting to start adding corals, etc.

Protein skimmer I plan to get, but dont need just yet with little bio load (saving money)

as far as ro/di, i cant' afford now, but will be saving up for when i start populating reef stuff

thanks again for any advice
 

ricky1414

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you can wait to get the clean up crew until after your algae becomes more severe, as i have been told. you can keep the hang on emperor, but lose the wheel and filter media for additional flow, since you already have purchased it. i put a skimmer on while i was initially cycling my tank with the live rock in it, as it pulled alot of scum out of the water. it has been said by some that it helps the coraline algae grow as well. i don't know if it is true, but it was what i heard.
as for your cycling, if your nitrates are 0, isn't your cycle complete?
 

forestal

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have retested, ammonia is 0.25, nitrites 0, nitrates 0-5, so cycle just starting.
Have some small amounts of brown algae growing on the sand.
added more live rock. total of 23-25 pounds. becuase of monetary reasons, will add some more live rock in a week while tank is still cycling.

one question for you Len, you suggested ditching the sponge filters, I was planning on using them purely for mechanical filtration, plus keeps the critters from getting sucked in. what do you think?

Long term, I would like to make a DIY refugium sump, but for now will hold with this, plus a skimmer very soon
 

forestal

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Hello everyone, I appreciate all the advice and I am getting a lot out of this site.
I would welcome further comments and advice.
I have updated my tank further (see my website):
http://www.geocities.com/forestal.geo/images/fishpics/Reef.html
My current plan is to add more detritous feeders once algae starts blooming.
Question: Is my tank just startng its cycle or almost done cycling, I havent had an ammonia spike. Ammonia is at 0.25 (for last week), Nitrite 0, Nitrate 5.0
I figure just a small bioload so I may not have a big spike especially with the live sand and live rock which will help break it down. I plan to wait at least a month before adding anything other than snails/cleaners.

Thanks again.
 

Lostmind

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Your cycle is just starting :)

It's gonna take quite some time to actually settle down. I'm at 4 months and not sure the tank is all that stable - altho I dont measure param's everyday anymore (kits are expensive) I still am battling with algae a bit.

Altho, after about 3 weeks, my tank was reading 0/0/0 for amm, nitrite and nitrate. Then, I was hit with a hair algae bloom. I thought it was best to leave the algae in the tank to absorb the nutrients - BAD IDEA. If you see green and stringy algae growing in your tank, reach in and grab it out.

Also, after your tank has settled down to 0/0/0 I don't see why you couldn't add a bunch of snails. Just dont go crazy on the amount you add. In my 120g I added a dozen the first week, they couldnt keep up with the algae, so I added another dozen, they didnt make any difference so I added more... heh. I dont think there is a magic formula for cleanup crew.

I wish you the best of luck man. I REALLY hate the algae problems I had (and am still sorta battling) and hope you don't have to go thru them.
 

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