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nerolj1

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Hi,
This is the Newreefers forum, so here is a dumb question. My live rock from a nice LFS is turning white with black spots. There are bright purple spots as well. I have a small 20gl tank that has live sand and has been running for 2 weeks. Test kit shows Amonia 0, nitrate 0, PH 7.0 and graviti 1.017. I have a tricle filter, two power heads. A couple of snails too. Any suggestions as to why the rocks are turning white would be greatly appreciated!
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Welcome to Reefs.org!
Well, your specific gravity is too low, as is your PH.
SG should be about 1.026, and PH above 8.0.
Are you cycling a new tank? Are you using any books for reference?

Mitch
 

nerolj1

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Thanks, yes is a new tank. two weeks old. I got the rock from a friend's tank. In the beginning the rocks were all nice and purple. Then just 2 days ago I noticed a lot of white and some black spots. I measured the PH and HG and noticed the low values. The PH was at 7.8 a week ago and the SG was at 1.025. I don't know what happened. I have a 50/50 light on for 8 hours a day. I've been looking at books on Amazon. Any recommendations?
Thanks again!
 

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How did you get the rock from your friend's tank to yours? Too much air time can turn them white from die-off of coralline algae. I took a piece out of my tank last week and let it sit for 2 hours trying to eradicate a mantis shrimp. (Ended up taking a hammer to the rock to get him) I now have the rock back in my tank and it's turning from purple to white from that trauma.

You may also want to add another light on top. I recently upgraded from a 20 gallon. I had a glass top on it w/ 2 18" flourescents. One was 50/50 and the other was 10,000K. I had excellent coralline growth with that.

Also, I do agree that your specific gravity needs to be higher. That could be another cause of the die-off if the rock was shipped well.

FYI, Once your purple coralline algae starts growing back you will notice the edges are white. That signifies that it is healthy and expanding...

Hope that helped you some. :lol:
 

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Thanks Melbelle1820!! That helps a lot! My friend brought the rock in a sealed bucket with water from his own tank. In fact, he used water from the same tank to start mine, plus some RO. I have one of those fixtures with the 50/50. I guess I can squeeze another fixture on top of the glass lid next to the other one. Or buy a new one... Should I continue with weekly water changes?
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I'm going to be honest about water changes. In the 5 months I had my 20 gallon set up, I only changed the water about once a month and it was only about 3 gallons at a time. You will hear that you should change more but by the time you add substrate and live rock you usually have less than 20 gallons of water in your tank. :wink:

My best suggestion is this. Try to invest in a few more test kits. Nitrite, Calcium, and Phosphate are important. Every tank has different filtration capacity and feeding schedules. I'm not sure how often you'll need to change the water but you should be able to know exactly how often by the results of the tests. (The instructions usually tell you what the dangerous result ranges are.) If I got a result of Nitrate that was the level below dangerous, I did a 15% water change. If you are constantly changing water you're not allowing your tank to accumulate the beneficial bacteria that will eventually do the job for you. (Others may disagree here so I will say "what works for one doesn't always work for another".)

One reason people change their water so often is to replace calcium and trace elements that are found in most salt mixes. I personally dose my tank every other day with B-Ionic. First part is a buffer and second is calcium. It also includes the necessary trace elements. Due to this dosing the only things I really have to test for now are Ammonia or Nitrate. I don't know about you but I used to enjoy constantly testing the water quality in my tank when it was first set up. You kinda get a feel for your tank's "water quality behavior" if you are keeping a hawk eye on it for the first couple of months.

There are many discussions on this website that are helpful when setting up a new tank. Whatever you do please take your time and make sure you research enough to find the way that works best for you. At this point your rock should be fine with 1.026 range of salinity. Keeping corals, inverts, or fish is something that should be done very carefully. And please... whatever you do, don't listen to pet store employees (or owners) that tell you it's fine to add fish and corals immediately. They are more than happy to sell you more livestock when the first ones die.

(I actually made a Petco employee mad by interrupting him while he was telling a girl she should buy a 10 gallon tank, regular gravel and some clownfish and set everything up that day. She thought I was nuts when I told her the importance of waiting at least a month for bacteria to cycle but ya know what? She didn't buy anything from that store that day.)

Ok, I don't think we can write books here so I'll stop now but feel free to ask questions. That's what we're all here for. :lol:
 

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Sorry, one more tidbit...

A buffer can help keep your pH and Salinity at the proper levels. The drop in your pH indicates that there was nothing to keep it at the correct level. Your LFS, a catalog, or even the net are good sources for finding popular buffer techniques. As mentioned above I dose B-Ionic but crushed coral substrate acts as a buffer also. Crushed coral does have it's down side according to some. In my 72 gallon I have 20lbs crushed coral underneath 3" of a live sand/dry packaged sand mix.

FYI, even though all tests showed my tank cycled quickly I still waited 2 months before moving my fire goby and corals from the 20 gallon to the 72 gal. If you want to see pics of the 20 gallon setup I had, you can go into my profile and check most recent posts for the one w/ pictures. It wasn't gorgeous but it worked just fine.
 
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Melbelle..your 20 doesnt look bad...i have a 20...
 

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nerolj1":31rcj9dw said:
The PH was at 7.8 a week ago and the SG was at 1.025. I don't know what happened. I have a 50/50 light on for 8 hours a day. I've been looking at books on Amazon. Any recommendations?
Thanks again!

Try and figure out what happened to the SG reading, either you have a bad measuring device or a stuck auto top off could cause lower SG readings.
As for books, here is a link where a number of good books are discussed:http://reefs.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=3531

Mitch
 

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Thank you again Melbelle!! That was so helpful! And yes Mitch you were right, this little plastic thing fell of the hydrometer (is that the correct term?)
I'll check on the B-Ionic. I think I need to look for another LFS. The guy at the one I go to, said that I only needed to use this compund called Black Powder and he sold me this little block of Calcium to put in my filter. Better do my homework!
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LordNikon,

Your Xenia looks very healthy and I love the color of the Catalina goby.


nerolj1,

Your welcome and good luck. This addicting hobby is expensive enough, let alone if you don't ask for second opinions... :wink:
 
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Alright, how is it that everyone seems to be able to create those incredible "aquascapes", where the live rock and corals seem to be so perfectly structured and assembled into an aesthetic masterpiece that nature itself would be impressed to witness??!?!!?! Lord Nickon, how did you make that tank look so structured and incredible?! I mean, Ive only been in this hobby/pass time/black-hole-for-money for about three weeks--and I pick things up pretty freakin fast--and all Ive gotten back from people when I ask is something about putty or some sort of epoxy. Great, that asnwers how they stick, but not how you could sculpt your rocks and corals into such a manner, so perfectly! I have 36lbs of live rock in a 29 gallon tank, and theyre all on the bottom! It looks like one big peice became many and takes its place on the bottom as rubble!
Arrgghh...
 

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DewrGleision,

Hopefully you have rocks of many different sizes and widths...

The hard part is actually trying to keep as much rock as possible off the substrate. You want your water to flow freely through/around it in order for it to do its biological duties.

It's a blank canvas. Imagine what you would want to swim through or under if you were a fish... :wink:
 

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I know that it seems difficult to arrange rocks to meet that "natural but arranged" look that we all strive for...
Someone once told me some really good advice a while back..before you set your rock up, lay it out on the floor (with whatever under it to keep it from becoming all OVER your floor) and notice the shapes... kinda move rocks around and see how they look close to each other...etc. It's a lot easier to rearrange on the floor than in a fully set up tank.
BTW, make sure you keep them wet!!!!
. . .and don't worry if it takes a time or two to get it right...I had damsels to get rid of and their removal served as impetus to rearrange the rock!

John
 

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