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(i knew that about the fingerprints, but thx tho)

crap ... i didn't know that about tempered glass. if i can't get it drilled one way or another this is going to mess up my master plan.
 

tazdevil

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Ok, now Im confused. From AGA's site:
54 Corner
39 x 27 3/8 x 23 dimensions
84 empty weight
650 full weight
yes bottom glass tempered

92 Corner
48 1/2 x 34 1/4 x 25 1/8
131
1050
yes

So does this mean its ok to drill tempered glass? Looks like AGA does- both these sizes have option for pre-drilling from the manufacturer.
 

tazdevil

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Ok I did some research on glass tempering. Here's some info:
You must shape the glass, put holes in it, etc. before the
tempering process. For automobiles, the glass is cut to
the desired shape (including any holes), and when it comes
out of the furnace red-hot (and malleable), it is curved.
Then, the quenchers blow cold air on it and the piece is
tempered. You can no longer cut it. Curved glass never
tempers as well as flat glass because the quenchers cannot
cool the surfaces as evenly.

Because the glass was heated to a glowing red-hot (and was
malleable), tempered glass is NEVER as straight as annealed
(non-tempered) glass. Tempered glass always has small
ripples, warps, or twists in it. Thus, there is a chance
that your aquarium won't line up as well when assembling
pieces of tempered glass. (These ripples can also
contribute to a lower viewing quality, in coordination with
the partial polarization).

However, most big tanks don't use tempered glass: While
tempered glass may be 10 times stronger than non-tempered,
the big tanks need that extra thickness for support so
nobody bothers with the tempered expense. It's better for
the little 10 gallon aquariums where the thinner, stronger
glass can save on space, shipping, and weight requirements.
Since the total stress is lower on these smaller tanks, it
is far easier for our sillicon adhesive caulk to compensate
for any un-evenness in the surfaces of the glass (it can
cover the cracks caused by tempered warping).

The tint in some glass is a result of melting the silica
with iron oxide, cobalt, selenium, or other elements to
help the glass resist alkaline etching. That's partially
why the glass is so resistant to chemical reactions even
in marine systems with a very high pH. Also, some lower
quality glass can have other photo-sensitive impurities that
may show up with time, decreasing the clarity of the glass
(recall turn-of-the-century old windows that have yellowed).

In summary, tempered glass is under severe compression at
the surface and tension internally, which allows it to shatter
when any part of its surface exceeds its temper and the
tension can "leak out". For fully tempered glass, this is
15,000 PSI. It doesn't take a lot of force for a needle
to exceed this pressure, but it takes far more for a hammer
or a baseball (with a larger surface area) to exceed this
pressure. Thus, the stories of dropping a filled 200 gallon
aquarium two feet with no breakage can be absolutely true.

Annealed glass (non-tempered glass) is in a relatively
non-stressed state (no tension or compression), which works
out to about 400 PSI surface pressure it can withstand. In
fact, many glass processing practices (cutting, drilling,
shaping) require glass to be in an annealed state (minimal
internal stress, less than 400 PSI compression). Then, you
can temper it when you are done processing it by heating it
and quenching it.


Here's a link with more info if you so desire:

http://www.thekrib.com/TankHardware/glass.html#6
 
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ChrisRD":2g314zvz said:
seamaiden":2g314zvz said:
Aragorn says stay AWAY from Ice-cap ballasts, and go with Bluelines.

SM, is he talking about the new style IC ballasts or the old? (IIRC the new ones just became available in the past couple of years...)

The reason I ask is because I've heard about a lot of problems with the old style, but the new ones seem to be a big hit so far...

I wouldn't be surprised if they're the old ones. They're the first ballasts he bought when he set up his first tank several years ago. However, to be sure, I'd have to ask.
 

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Hiya guys,
I'm currently setting up a AGA 54g corner with builtin overflow atm. Looks like I'm jumping in on this thread a bit late but if Hwarang / Morganjen or others are still in the planning stages perhaps some idea sharing might be in order.

I have the AGA 54g corner - the overflow is built in and the holes were drilled before the bottom glass was tempered. First bit of advice with these new AGA megaflow systems - the tank with overflow is NICE - but dont waste your money on the Megaflow accessory kit - I can't believe a paid 70 bux for 2 bulkheads 2 pieces of PVC and a few fittings. Buy the bulkheads online and do a search on the reef forums on building your own durso standpipe outta plain old PVC from HD - I am planning on using a SCWD on the return to alternate the water movement from the return pipe.

As far as lighting is concerned - here is what I have come up with so far. I think I am going to build a custom oak hood to match the stand I am building. I plan on using plywood veneer cut to the same radius as the tank for the top of the the hood and the stand top&bottom - then using red oak tongue & groove flooring pieces slightly modified vertically around the front. I plan on closing off the hood completely (cant stand unsightly light spilling out the back of light hoods) I'll vent off the heat upwards using 4 - 106 CFM 120v 7" fans - directing the airflow smack dab at a single spiderlight style reflectored 250w MH using a large PVC elbow pointed at each end of the reflector - one fan pushing in & one pushing out. I have 4 55w PC's (22in long) that I can just squeeze into a hood (on graph paper anyway) by installing them like spokes of a wheel (2 on each side of the MH). I was going to use 2 more fans across the water survace for evaporative cooling and hopefully eliminate the need for a chiller (I know my heater wont come on too often during the day :) - I think its probably a good idea to just wire the fans on the same timer as the lights - PCs come on first with 2 fans - MH comes on with 2 more - then off in reverse.

Here comes the fun part (if you are still with me in all these ramblings). A stand with a 27 degree radius (quarter sphere) is seriously lacking space for a full size sump / refugium / skimmer chamber. Rather than try to figure out how to cram a custom acrylic sump into the door I am going to build the sump right into the stand. I figure I will use the majority of the space underneath divided into 3 chambers built out of medium density fibreboard - then just fiberglass the whole thing to keep it all watertight - that will allow for maximum volume of water underneath and seriously reduce the cost of the hole project.

So far all I have is the PCs / tank / overflows / Euroreef ES5-2 skimmer / Mag drive 9.5 & a pile of oak. Next week it will start to resemble an aquarium provided I don't redesign it all over again between now and then.

Any thoughts?
-Z
 

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