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Well, I thought I would be happy with my 260W PC lights.. But... Seems like everything I'm interested in, requires large amounts of light... Okay... Here's my question. I have a 75G 48x18x20 with a 260W PC lighting system on it.. (About 1 month old!) I have enough room on top to put a 2nd light just like the first one, and put them side by side. (520W Total!) Would this be a good idea? Or should I just sell those lights and go with Dual 175 or 250W MH + 110W VHO lights?

Any ideas?
Thanks!
 

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knpjdad":23j48tmg said:
Well, I thought I would be happy with my 260W PC lights.. But... Seems like everything I'm interested in, requires large amounts of light... Okay... Here's my question. I have a 75G 48x18x20 with a 260W PC lighting system on it.. (About 1 month old!) I have enough room on top to put a 2nd light just like the first one, and put them side by side. (520W Total!) Would this be a good idea? Or should I just sell those lights and go with Dual 175 or 250W MH + 110W VHO lights?

Any ideas?
Thanks!

Is this a new system? If not, get the MH. If it is, i would stick with lower light until your corallines start growing and you get over your algae blooms. No need to fuel that fire :)

However, why buy something you know you will replace? MH will be where you end up eventually.....

That is where I am right now. I am 2 weeks away from putting in LR for a new tank. I have the resources to get a MH setup, but do I heed the advice I gave you above, and go with a PC setup, or just bite the bullet and get the MH? I am torn in both directions. I guess I could run the MH on a shorter photoperiod....

Decisions, Decisions.......



ANyway, I have probably confused you more now, huh? SOrry
 
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Are you currently chilling your water?
MH generate much more heat than PC and you will need to chill the water.
 

knpjdad

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BOMPH: Yeah, it's a new system, Born 01/23/04! I also thought about just cutting down on photo period.
if I went with the total upgrade to MH.

browncj7: No I'm currently not using a chiller, But I live OH (Cold!) Oh! I see you do too! :) and have AC for the summer months.
 

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I guess a good question to ask is not which one is better for me, but is 500W PC = 500W MH? Would they both give the same result?
 

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knpjdad":3cvj6ica said:
I guess a good question to ask is not which one is better for me, but is 500W PC = 500W MH? Would they both give the same result?

No it wouldn't. In wattage, yes, but in intensity, no... MH would probably give better results, but I personally dont think you need it unless you want SPS and clams.

In terms of the chiller, he has a point, but I had 2x400w MH + 2x110w VHO over a 2' deep tank and never noticed any real difference in water temp. Your tank is a bit shallower, with about 50g less water, so it might be an issue.
 

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Okay!! Well, looks like I'll be looking at going MH...

Thanks for the info! :D

Looks like a Coralife 48" 260W PC setup will be hitting ebay soon.
 

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browncj7":3pc80zyf said:
Are you currently chilling your water?
MH generate much more heat than PC and you will need to chill the water.

This is a common misconception IMO.

The equivalent wattage of MH may produce slightly more total heat than PC, but it also produces a lot more light. If you compared them in configurations where you had equvialent light output, the MH is actually producing less heat (more efficient light source, so less power is consumed/wasted to produce the same amount of light).

MH produces all of it's heat (and light) in one small location. With fluorescents, this heat is spread out over a much larger area (as is the light), so the lamp surface temp is much lower. This can give the illusion that less heat is being generated, but actually this doesn't necessarily mean the total heat being produced by the lamp is less.

I know of more than one case where someone switched from a hood packed full of fluorescent lamps, to one with two MH lamps and ended up with a brighter tank and less heating issues. My tank is easier to keep cool with halide pendents over it than it ever was with fluorescents in a canopy and it's MUCH brighter.

Lots of people use MHs (myself included) that do not use a chiller and have no temp problems. Fans in the canopy, running open top (pendents) and/or a fan over the sump or tank surface will all increase evaporation and therefore evaporative cooling which in many cases is all that's needed to keep temps stable.

JMO
 

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Thanks for the great post.... I knew the head thing was a common mis-conception. So I really wasn't worried about using a chiller. But I never really thought about it in the way you stated it...

Thanks again.

B.T.W. I'm making a trip this weekend to pick up a MH system!! :D
 
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Knowing is half the battle.

knpjdad
Hopefully it will not be cold in ohio much longer!
 

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I have the 4x65W PC hood too. I like it...

but when I went to my new 75G 2x175W MH was part of the standard budget. I chose to not get the 2 110W VHO add on because I am keeping soft corals and subtracting displacement for sand and rock etc... I have about 6 watts per gallon of that intense MH light.

I also have one of the smaller 2x65W hoods. The effect of the halides in aesthetics alone is worth the upgrade!

but I am keeping my old hoods. The small one, 2x65, I put over my refugium and only use 1 side (1 bulb)

If you are savvy enough to wire a retrofit kit you might want to consider keeping the hood, taking it apart and using the lamps for some similar application.

I am considering using the second ballast / half of the 2x65 hood for a nano project.

and

as a note...... My new MH bulbs blew... I was REALLY glad I still had the PC hood as a back-up while my replacement bulbs are being shipped.
 

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Sprattoo":gqotlpow said:
I have the 4x65W PC hood too. I like it...
as a note...... My new MH bulbs blew... I was REALLY glad I still had the PC hood as a back-up while my replacement bulbs are being shipped.

Funny you mention that... My wife asked the same question last night.. Said what if something happens to the new lights? Wouldn't you want to keep a "spare" if you need to switch back in a hurry?

Good Point! 8)
 

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She might be right. If I didn't have mine I would have been a week or more without ANY light or would have paid through the nose to have bulbs 2nd day or overnighted.

Even if you upgrade eventually you will find a use for that hood. They are a good product. I have used mine everyday for over a year now.... (it's probably time to replace bulbs) but for less than $300 it was plug and play, light, cool running, and 260W of light is decent even if it is less intense than MH.

I feel I got my moneys worth
 

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Well, after reading some more on the whole lighting issue... I have made a deceision........ I have deciedied stay right where I'm at till I read some more about it.

BOMPH: I rang a bell with me about the SPS and clams... I don't really plan on either of the two living with me, and I was just the LFS, and was looking around asking quesitons, and found the coral that I like the most were all softy's!! :) So once again. I'm back on the PC band wagon, and doing some more reading!

Once again, thanks for everyone's help!
 

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Im also on the Softy train. no hard guys or clams for me... but I just got my 2 175W Ushios today, screwed 'em in, fired it up..

and weeeeeeeeeeeee... these things are the bestestest
I am getting more light with 2 175W MH than I was with 6 65W PC's
I think once I get a little more mirror up inside my home made hood I will end up with even more light in the tank.

Once my Condylictus (sp?) hides from the more intense light... I'll have em on most all day. I'll keep the PCs for an emergency and for my refugium.
 

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