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croaker

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I have a 75 gallon tank with a sump/refugium and a protein skimmer. I put my live rock in my new tank to cure yesterday. I have been trying to squirt the dying stuff off the rocks with a turkey baster periodically. When do I add the live sand? I have a lot of broken off small pieces of rock and dying stuff on the bottom of the tank so should I siphon that up and add the live sand now? Or should I let the rock cure a little longer before adding the sand? Thanks for the help.
 
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Hmm. I'm no real expert, but I'll give you my thoughts.

I'd usually add the sand first to be honest, but your way is more effective in ensuring the rocks are firmly placed on the bottom, so don't worry about that. I'd say siphon up the dead stuff (but not the small bits of rock necessarily, unless it's impossible not to). Otherwise I'd say your plan strikes me as good to go.

One small other thought though. Some would say you don't need to waste money on live sand if you're already using live rock. The bacteria would colonise the sand anyway. Up to you of course, and it may be true that it accelerates the process, but I'm not sure myself.
 

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I agree with Tom, syphon the crud out. For the first few weeks your rock is going to shed a lot of detritus. I would keep blasting it off with the turkey baster periodically and syphon out the gunk. You should see this start to slow down after a while (tough to say how long). Personally I'd give it a month or two before I added the sand to make sure you've got the bulk of it, but that's JMO.

As for live sand, I agree that inert sand will become seeded with the bacteria from the live rock. One disadvantage to adding inert sand to an existing setup, however, is that it can clump, especially if you have good Ca and Alk levels. This seems to happen more easily with the real powdery, fine sands IME. The sands that are coarser, or at least have some varying grain sizes don't seem to clump as easily (again IME). One nice thing about real live sand (or sand that is cured/seeded in a separate container for a while before added) is it will generally be well coated with slime already (technical term ;) ) and is not as likely to have the clumping issue.

HTH
 

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If you're talking about live sand being sold in plastic bags from LFS shells, I would say skip it.
 
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romunov":zb1n2ok9 said:
If you're talking about live sand being sold in plastic bags from LFS shells, I would say skip it.

I completely agree with this.

If you're talking about real live sand with worms & other critters then I'd suggest adding it right after the tank has cycled and before adding any other livestock.
 
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Why do you say that? It's excellent biologic filtration because of the immense surface area, it provides detritus removal from the sandbed infauna, and provides healthy food for corals and fish from larvae production.
 

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romunov":jy87hucs said:
If you're not doing a DSB, you can always skip live sand as it will be of no use to your tank.

I definitely disagree with that statement. IME that is just not true. In fact, my experience has been to the contrary - I saw no noticeable benefit to having a DSB over just a "regular" sandbed.
 

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romunov":10stwyg9 said:
If you're talking about live sand being sold in plastic bags from LFS shells, I would say skip it.

Then what would you recommend and where would I obtain it? (Setting up tank this weekend).

Thanks,

- Jeff
 
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Taekwondodo":2slrm252 said:
romunov":2slrm252 said:
If you're talking about live sand being sold in plastic bags from LFS shells, I would say skip it.

Then what would you recommend and where would I obtain it? (Setting up tank this weekend).

Thanks,

- Jeff

Buy the dry stuff in plastic bags instead. It's cheaper, less heavy to carry and it'll seed itself from the live rock.

If you want more diversity, do a google search for critter packs (including some aquarium related words like sand and bristle worm/brittle star) and you can order them in the US through the mail.
 

romunov

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I think beds that are not capable of sustaining infauna for longer periods of time are not a good choice for filtration. Grain size of sand is of importance as well. See these articles.
 

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Well, everyone is certainly entitled to their own opinion, but having run a sanbed per Shimek's recommendations for a couple of years (out of curiosity), and having the experience of running other configurations to compare against, I remain unconvinced of many of his theories...
 

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I dont have anything against live sand, just dont buy the wet stuff rotting in a bag on the shelf.... I think it causes algae/nitrate problems in new tanks, id go for the clean/dry cheap stuff.
 

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Live sand from a vendor with a wide array of worms, crustaceans and other phylla are a wonderful thing, but I see no advantages of "wet (live) sand" sold in plastic bags over dry "cheap stuff".
 
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romunov":1hh4doin said:
Live sand from a vendor with a wide array of worms, crustaceans and other phylla are a wonderful thing, but I see no advantages of "wet (live) sand" sold in plastic bags over dry "cheap stuff".

I agree 100%. Unless your wallet is too heavy and you need to lighten it.
 
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Guy":bts1wy8n said:
romunov":bts1wy8n said:
Live sand from a vendor with a wide array of worms, crustaceans and other phylla are a wonderful thing, but I see no advantages of "wet (live) sand" sold in plastic bags over dry "cheap stuff".

I agree 100%. Unless your wallet is too heavy and you need to lighten it.

:lol: Guy!!!!
 

ChrisV

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Even if you were to collect healthy sand on the cleanest of beaches it would still become foul pretty quick in closed containers... right?
 
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It'll go a few days if there's a lot of air in the container but I'd shy away from beaches and go out to sea a bit.
 

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