Looking for some suggestion in SPS corals or others

[Old Man Of The Sea]

http://oldmanofthesea38.blogspot.com/

That link is to not load so many images just to ask of what others know of those corals. I'm looking to put together a large coral selection for two tanks. In the link above, I made whatever changes that were said by another, but with these corals, one not know them all and is why I like to hear any opinions. Once the selection above that I made my pick out of those, I will load a new selection for thoughts on each coral and yes, there will be any number of corals that were copied twice or more. Thank you in advance if you can offer me any thoughts on my coral search.

Buddy

 

[Old Man Of The Sea]

With all the people possibly keeping SPS corals, one would think a person would hear something from those :wink: If I hear nothing on this, will have to figure that there be nobody here who could assist in any question I might have, even once the tanks are stock and there be some other type of question that might come up.


I came up with a thought on this to which im doing and I think that its asking a lot perhaps on any info on any and each coral one sees here and I think that the only question be is if the corals would do fine under 250 MH or not. If any figure that I should know of something, then that would be different so if the coral number that not ideal under 250 MH, please list those numbers so that I might remove them as a possible coral selection. Thanks

Buddy

 

[Anubis1]

http://www.reefs.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=104379

there is a link in that thread for care sheets.. maybe they can help!



I have seen ricordias and zoanthids kept under fluorescents however I believe MH lighting is recommended for most stony corals.

Lol... I'm by no means an expert.. so maybe someone with more experience can chime in...

 

[Old Man Of The Sea]

Anubis, in all honesty from nothing else which I seen here since I began the coral question, you were the only one pretty much who answered with any background in SPS corals. And yes, the links which you provided will be helpful. I still not know why the other who are doing these corals for a much longer period of time, not offer anything.

SO far, here at reef.org, except for yourself, I might as well not be a member. that is a sorry thing to have to say, but its true nevertheless. I guess people take it not to want to assist at all but if there are no pros here in corals, I not need to post another question in what im looking to do until the tanks are stock some, and then post the tanks as they be at that point in time.

Maybe anything here is in question too some here, my reef tanks have been in so long of a delay, that perhaps others here take it as their be wasting time within any assistance they might offer. I also put off asking anything in corals until now for it is however only a matter of time to when I finally would stock these tanks.

The one other problem in the corals you see, I not have most of their names, so all I have at most is a image :?

So again, the links you provided are or should be helpful, and Thanks
Buddy

 

[bleedingthought]

Buddy, I scrolled through the list only looking at every other picture. That's a lot of them! Some of the ones on the list are much more advanced than others, requiring more "finesse", if you will.

I do want to say that I do feel what you are saying about no one responding. It is discouraging to know that there are numerous reef keepers here on reefs.org and one like yourself, who's looking for advice BEFORE stocking their tank, receives no opinion, advice, or acknowledging at all. It is, I believe, why the forum is setup in the first place.

On the other hand, I do encourage you to purchase some coral books that might help you along with this. Some that I can personally recommend are:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/188369 ... EC6YVKXLWF

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/188369 ... EC6YVKXLWF

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/189008 ... EC6YVKXLWF

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/188369 ... EC6YVKXLWF


Those should be a ton of help. I had hesitated in answering because I only keep a few SPS corals mostly because of my current lighting and flow setup. But I do recommend that you start with some easier SPS like montiporas and pocilloporas, until you have the feel for them. They require a little more care and "beefy" equipment than your softies and most LPS. As far as 250W metal halides, that should allow for basically anything that you'd want to keep provided good water quality, proper flow, and and proper placement of the corals.

Give it more time and as this thread stays at the top of the forum more people will respond. Not sure why no one else has given their advice on this! :?

Hope this helps.

 

[Old Man Of The Sea]

I have the three volume set of "The Reef Aquarium" as well as Aquarium Corals and "Corals" A quick reference guide. Also I the three book volume set of corals of the world and a four book set of "The Modern Coral reef aquarium" and with those, a few other books I have. But you might agree that with books a person search can only go so far and as well, these books not cover all the corals.

I will say that you understand my feelings in my words and not that you or anybody else to have misunderstood me, im not angry that not one had look to ever offered any assistance before now, its the right to what one wishes to assist in or not to assist at all. That is why I said that I will not ask another question on corals that I not said that I wouldn't ever post again. It also might be from much in my choice of words, that im looking for answers from the best period. That however not means that one couldn't make any suggestions for its one thing if one is only telling me on some info of a coral, its another when a person is going to look to comment me on my tanks and how I should do things.

The problem in that be that we all not have the exact same thoughts in our tanks equipments and a goo many other things as well. just the same, I am no beginner and yet only for in question of the species of corals im more in wish to do, I do feel that im neither here or there for sure, I expect myself to manage well in time once I begin, I not however will get the first bunch of SPS corals until after the 5th month.

I stop the search on these corals for about two years because the tanks were never being completed. I see where you said that you hesitated in answering because you only keep a few SPS corals, well on the images I copied, you not need to be a all fire expert, only answer to what the person knows like the coral photos I not have their names on many and you might know of some, just answer to what you know and if you think it is that species, say it in that way, I know that there be much confusing from one species to another.

I also have hundreds of more to see if anything I should know in the corals im looking to make a selection from and note, I two reef tanks to stock when ready. I do hope that you understood most I typed here for I do however have a medical problem in which is difficult to explain, but I at most cannot, my typing and word expression in which I most wish to express my meaning.

Later once I do start these tanks, I a person who you can say be-friend me and will assist me in this area when I in the link of those images you see, I will start a reef tanks log with that link and my computer and in two sets of books for that problem there will be is that I a terrible problem to remember so many things, least of all I a problem much the time to remember one thing.

I still before my lfs guy puts in the new sump on the new 240 gal reef tank and the changing of the MH on both tanks, will take photos as the tanks are now for the last two years and more. And then once they are finish, will take photos as they will be. I not remember if I post this here, I had about 2 months ago done my electrical work, I had two new outlets put in, they have two separated lines on each, four new lines of 20 amps.

Thanks :wink:
Buddy

 

[bleedingthought]

Most of the ones you have have names. If you're ordering online, browse through the website's selection. If you are buying from a LFS, print the picture out and bring it in.

P.S. I read on the other thread that you had your eyes on a trumpet coral for $200. How many heads were there? Usually, around here they are much cheaper. Make sure you're doing your homework so people aren't completely ripping you off on these.

 

[Anonymous]

If you want more definitive answers, you might be better off asking Len, Thales, Louey, Wazzel, Unarce in PM.......I'm trying to think of the SPS keepers.

Sometimes they will check their PM more often then the forum itself.

Another excellent reference place is www.wetwebmedia.com .

Just food for thought.

 

[Old Man Of The Sea]

Thiago is it? I will explain something else being that you had taking the time to assist me in anyway that you might be able too. I am disabled due to three lower ruptured disk and I will have much problems when its to do certain things like when to frag the corals or as well, possibly when needing to position the corals in the tanks. I spoken to my lfs person and my idea is this...............Somewhere at or near to the 5th month while aging these tanks, I will place on order some 12-14 corals and of course, its to figure that not all the coral will be in which im figuring that even perhaps eight corals might come in. My lfs guy will setup a QT with the lights needed and hold them from 4-6 weeks, this is for if any hitch hikers. Then I will pay him to drive out and position the corals in the reef tanks. Then we will order again a number of corals after two to 2.5 months.

I hope that I explained that well enough

I'm sure that Len, Thales, Louey and Wazzel sees my thread, what if they readied it or pass it by is their choice for I not think that I find any need to PM them for the questions is labled for SPS corals, that my friend should be well enough to know what type of corals im interested in.
That trumpet coral for $200 was cut into frags for it began not doing so good and that was the only way so many others were to buy it, it was turning brown in which it might had not been getting quite enough light. It was a shame, for it was beautiful when I seen it.

As far as being completely ripped off, I know my lfs person, he wouldn't steer me as wrong unless he not known of the coral or so, and he knows that I want to do all the best for these tanks and the corals I would be keeping.

The people that were mentioned, I know that this thread is young yet, but this other thread to do the same thing were un-answered:
http://www.reefs.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=102811

It might be the choice of words I described my topic in, but nevertheless, the meaning be the same as now, I'm in dire need to learn and read and at the same time, put a huge coral selection together.

Trust me fellas, I will make out OK :wink:

Buddy

 

[trido]

Not sure why no one else has given their advice on this!

I'd bet spring time has alot to do with it. For instance, I have been so busy with my yard I have only had a breif moment every other night to quickly browse the forums and give an occasional quick reply. If you want quick speedy replies RDO is not always the quickest forum on the market. It is however, IMO a great recrource for honest, educated opinions if your willing to wait. :wink:

 

[Old Man Of The Sea]

Not sure why no one else has given their advice on this!

I'd bet spring time has alot to do with it. For instance, I have been so busy with my yard I have only had a breif moment every other night to quickly browse the forums and give an occasional quick reply. If you want quick speedy replies RDO is not always the quickest forum on the market. It is however, IMO a great recrource for honest, educated opinions if your willing to wait. :wink:

HHHmmmmmmmmmm, Let me see now, I began with the thought of these tanks more then 12 years ago and had been planning these tanks as well paying them off for the last six years. I think I could wait as long as your not talking of waiting another 12 years :lol:

Buddy

 

[trido]

I just looked at the list you have. It is a very nice wish list. I would recommend starting with items at the top of your list (ricordias, blastos, montiporas) as the tank becomes more established work your way to the bottom. Next, add some milleporas and a few acros being sure to save room for the more expensive harder to keep, prettier acros on your list. IMO the acros with more colors and fancy names tend to grow slower, are harder to keep thriving, and tend to be more expensive because of the growth. Just take your time, read, ask alot of little questions and it will all fill in and happen before you know it.


In all honesty I didnt even follow the link you provided a few days ago because I have been very busy and your posts tend to be quite complex sometimes. You have a very large project underway. I hope it is moving along for you again.
Again, start at the top of your list and work your way to the bottom and soon enough you will have a beautiful tank.

 

[Old Man Of The Sea]

There are several hundred more to see, I will however not upload every photos as well I will disregard any number as well for there are the links in which have or show some rather rare corals and more colorful corals. For the meanwhile, I the time to make this photo list appear as much more then a nice wish list, I hope that be so>

Names, as far as common names for many of these corals do differ depending on where I look or see the coral which is why I will deal with the coral by photo if this proves to be far more helpful. And taking my time and reading and if any questions do come about, I will ask them. For the meantime however, all I need to know is that the pictures you see that those corals will do ok under 250 watts MH? And if anything important such as coral aggression, that too would be needed to divide the corals from a aggressive to more a community type of reef, I two tanks to do this.

I was figuring to start with zoas and ricordias for I was for a while thinking of some soft corals and I decided I not do this and as well with the SPS corals will be clams and there is the only concern I have for at the beginning of the tanks setup, I had in thought to have anemones and I figured that the carpet anemones would do better to be in one place more or less. But the problem is that I had in plan from the very first thought of these tanks to have two sets of dwarf morays and a carpet anemone will make a meal of the dwarf eels. As the other thing which leaves me with some concern is the clams and dwarf eels together, for if a fish can become trapped by a clam and die, I see the idea with the dwarf eels and clams goes with a warning that there will be risk.

Yes, my post do seem to be quite complex sometimes or at most times, for besides my other disability you know of, I was after the war, during the time of the North Korean and Vietnam War, I have this pressure which builds up in my skull and the doctors aren't sure to how best to help cure it. I few months ago gone under for a attempt for the doctors to try to relieve some the pressure and the surgery had failed. But for the most part, I at most times have extreme problems for my typing which I cannot type as it is and my thoughts not truly work well together that I cannot express myself as best as I would like. I'm thinking as well to make another join up at the link that I have those photos at just to hold all the pictures of the type of corals to get, of course I will not be getting them all.

Also later when im to start a log history for these tanks, I will have the assistance of another due to my typing methods :wink:
Buddy

 

[trido]

For the meantime however, all I need to know is that the pictures you see that those corals will do ok under 250 watts MH? And if anything important such as coral aggression, that too would be needed to divide the corals from a aggressive to more a community type of reef, I two tanks to do this.

IMO ALL of the corals you listed will do fine together. They also should be fine under 250s. Just keep the ricordias low and the acros high. I have 250s over my 120 and am able to keep SPS all the way to the lower 1/4 of the tank.

 

[Old Man Of The Sea]

For the meantime however, all I need to know is that the pictures you see that those corals will do ok under 250 watts MH? And if anything important such as coral aggression, that too would be needed to divide the corals from a aggressive to more a community type of reef, I two tanks to do this.

IMO ALL of the corals you listed will do fine together. They also should be fine under 250s. Just keep the ricordias low and the acros high. I have 250s over my 120 and am able to keep SPS all the way to the lower 1/4 of the tank.

If it was that you were asking the question on SPS corals and that you had keep other type of corals through the years, I wouldn't had wasted the time on telling you something simple as that for I would figure that you would know as much :wink:

Buddy

 

[trido]

For the meantime however, all I need to know is that the pictures you see that those corals will do ok under 250 watts MH? And if anything important such as coral aggression, that too would be needed to divide the corals from a aggressive to more a community type of reef, I two tanks to do this.

IMO ALL of the corals you listed will do fine together. They also should be fine under 250s. Just keep the ricordias low and the acros high. I have 250s over my 120 and am able to keep SPS all the way to the lower 1/4 of the tank.

If it was that you were asking the question on SPS corals and that you had keep other type of corals through the years, I wouldn't had wasted the time on telling you something simple as that for I would figure that you would know as much :wink:

Buddy

As you can see, I specifically answered two questions you put forth. I have absolutely no idea what your exact reefkeeping history is. I do know that you have had eel tanks. Since I am wasting my time responding to your specific questions that you already know the answers to. I will no longer waste my time responding to your posts. :wink:

 

[Old Man Of The Sea]

trido, what I not understand is you said nothing to were I might read and research on SPS corals other then levels to position them for right now the question be to the corals which I can plan on as a possible wish list. Do not get me wrong, if you can add to my search it would/could prove helpful for I think I said at times that I kept in the old 180 other corals that the 180 has gone through some minor upgrades to deal with SPS corals in which demands stronger lighting and water currents.

I know if I not hear much from others, it will be some trail and error to deal with, but as I said if no one wishes like yourself to be of any real assistance, then please don't say anything for it wastes my time as well on small details. I said I will manage this just the same if there be not one person here at Reef.org to assist me in my quest and that if no one ever responded that I wouldn't ask anything further on SPS corals in here, not even when the tanks are stocked with corals and there be some coral that might seem to be failing or that a coral I might be failing with.

It is however unprofessional of you to comment and say what you did for yes, your no idea of the things I know and you were answering to me as if I was just starting out, a beginner as it were. That is why I tried to say it nice and that I know things as that, I know if I understand the aggressiveness of a coral that it must be well spaced from other coral inhabitants.

So if you or no one else here in these forums not will assist whatsoever, the next post here from me will be when the tanks have started, that their completed in the setup and when stocking will begin and it will be with those two you mentioned.

Also trido, I wasn't angry when you said of were to position the zoas and the Ric, I was only letting you know I know those facts, but aren't there any ricordias that demand lower lighting? And the same as the Zoas for that question or all in the species are well adopted to all types of lights? Again, you jump the gun wrong here by saying what you did and its unprofessional of you to done that and if it be that you feel I insulted your help, then do accept my apologies for it.

Another thing, so many times I too said things in the was as you have here, in not knowing of the other persons knowledge on the topic like when I use to answer any and all eel questions and it takes time to know the ones who done it for some period of time and so on. And they too as I here had told me that they were no beginner with eels. Its no big deal when you respond to one and not know of the things they do or not know of and this is the way we learn of it by telling one another.

Or maybe what I should had said in your case, thanks that I didn't know that in which I would had if it were that I not know. I cannot believe this that just because I let you know that I know that the zoas and so are to be positioned at the tanks lower levels and for letting you know I know, your a problem with it. Thanks so I no one here at reef.org then, so see you when the tanks are finally started up.

I also think that you should know something if you not know it already, I have a type of physical mental problem that prevents me from better expressing myself in typing messages, it is different when I write on paper for the other thing be is I cannot type and read at the same time and it take me forever like to type a longer post. it takes me hours on end to type things and for me to best express things, I would have to edit it time and time again, dozens of times and still I would be in question if its as I wanted to say it.

But as you said, you not know what I know and only had offered what you did and I not were angry or anything to that other then to had let you know I know of it for I tell two others the same thing and one who responds to me know that I this problem in my typing as well and he just tries to reason it out what im trying to do. So if your nothing else to offer other then what you did, thanks and if no others here, I not will ask another coral question at Reefs.org and you will see these tanks once they are completed.

I do hope that you understood me here and if not, sorry, and Thanks anyway for trying

Buddy :?

 

[trido]

Let me recap the whole thread from my perspective. I will take the time so you can understand how this reads from the other side of the internet.

That link is to not load so many images just to ask of what others know of those corals. I'm looking to put together a large coral selection for two tanks. In the link above, I made whatever changes that were said by another, but with these corals, one not know them all and is why I like to hear any opinions. Once the selection above that I made my pick out of those, I will load a new selection for thoughts on each coral and yes, there will be any number of corals that were copied twice or more. Thank you in advance if you can offer me any thoughts on my coral search.

Buddy

In this post I didnt see you asking for places or books for research. Just opinions

SO far, here at reef.org, except for yourself, I might as well not be a member. that is a sorry thing to have to say, but its true nevertheless. I guess people take it not to want to assist at all but if there are no pros here in corals, I not need to post another question in what im looking to do until the tanks are stock some, and then post the tanks as they be at that point in time.

Lately RDO has been very slow. You are no exception. I have seen you posting in other forums so I wasnt quick to respond to this post as they are often complex and difficult to understand.

On the other hand, I do encourage you to purchase some coral books that might help you along with this. Some that I can personally recommend are:

Here several book are recommended for research which you didnt ask for. You asked for opinions and thoughts. You responded that you have a fairly extensive library regarding corals. After reading all five of those books. Opinions are likely all that you will need regarding coral placement.

I'd bet spring time has alot to do with it. For instance, I have been so busy with my yard I have only had a breif moment every other night to quickly browse the forums and give an occasional quick reply. If you want quick speedy replies RDO is not always the quickest forum on the market. It is however, IMO a great recrource for honest, educated opinions if your willing to wait.

This is where I came in offering my opinion on the slowness of RDO.
In my next post I told you that I had browsed your blog and wrote that everything should be fine in the same tank. Again, my opinion.

your posts tend to be quite complex sometimes.

I should have been more general. IMO this is why alot of people dont respond to your posts. For the most part. People want to read short posts and respond with a quick paragraph or two to problems and questions. Your medical history and future methods of tank maintanance are irrelevant to this thread. When you write these things it just takes more of my time to get to the actual issues and questions you have.

IMO ALL of the corals you listed will do fine together. They also should be fine under 250s. Just keep the ricordias low and the acros high. I have 250s over my 120 and am able to keep SPS all the way to the lower 1/4 of the tank.

This is where I gave you my opinion on two very specific questions you posted.

If it was that you were asking the question on SPS corals and that you had keep other type of corals through the years, I wouldn't had wasted the time on telling you something simple as that for I would figure that you would know as much

Why would you waste my time asking questions you already know the answers to and then respond to the post in a Rude manner telling me to quit wasting both of our time.

what I not understand is you said nothing to were I might read and research on SPS corals

You NEVER asked where to research. You asked for opinions

I kept in the old 180 other corals that the 180 has gone through some minor upgrades to deal with SPS corals in which demands stronger lighting and water currents.

I had no idea that you have had a reef tankin the past. I cant remember every Forum members tank history. I (and most people) can only respond to specific questions.

It is however unprofessional of you to comment and say what you did for yes, your no idea of the things I know and you were answering to me as if I was just starting out, a beginner as it were. That is why I tried to say it nice and that I know things as that, I know if I understand the aggressiveness of a coral that it must be well spaced from other coral inhabitants.

This is not my job. I dont have to be professional. I simply try to respond in a courteous manner. When someone is rude to me. I respond back in the same rude manner. Again, I was simply responding to your specific questions. Why would you ask if you know the answers?

I also think that you should know something if you not know it already, I have a type of physical mental problem that prevents me from better expressing myself in typing messages, it is different when I write on paper for the other thing be is I cannot type and read at the same time and it take me forever like to type a longer post. it takes me hours on end to type things and for me to best express things, I would have to edit it time and time again, dozens of times and still I would be in question if its as I wanted to say it.

You seemed to get this post out quite quickly. Within ten minutes or so anyway. Dissability or not, English is a very difficult language for the average person to write and be accurately expressive.
I typically proof read and edit all of my posts at least once in order to be understood as clearly as possible. It does take a more time but is well worth it. This is why I recommend keeping questions specific and posts short and to the point. You should try it. You might get better/more responses in your threads.

 

[trido]

BTW, the last post took me 50 minutes to make. Sometimes a short post does take a long time to be VERY clear and specific to get the point across.

 

[Old Man Of The Sea]

Fella, I'm not even going to waste time in quotes as you for I done things as that and they go nowhere for how many differ ways are there too ask on any data that one could assist me with in my quest is plainly meaning that anything one could show me of any links as Anubis has done for why is it that member understood me somewhat to where as you are making a issue out of it and where is it that the positioning of zoas to do with studying on SPS corals to make a selection for two tank. You not even needed to do all this you did for I told you that if you feel I insulted or hurt you any that I was sorry and please drop this thread for the topic is off the issue now and I guess that any help here is lost to you making something more from it, so thanks, but no thanks.

You not have to worry about reading anymore SPS coral questions here. And I not readied your last response past the second quote and let me tell you of something, I'm not getting any automatic emails from any who post a response here as another link as well, I need to check back here often and when I the time to do so.

The bottom line just the same, if your a problem for one to say they know of what you were saying, then you shouldn't bother answering nothing then. IM Sorry you responded here, period!!


I said I would be OK, if none here would answer on the SPS corals and you really not even said anything other then the things I already know for I know that I may not get the exact coral I want, but the idea is to know what coral of an idea to what I want the most and not just order by the seat of my pants as it were.

I also want to add that bleedingthought too know of what the question be here and he was trying to offer some books and I have those books and more, but I been done with those books long ago and I need to widen the search. He also said if I were If ordering online to do something, but the thing there is I will be ordering with my lfs and there he will also hold in a QT from 4-6 weeks and I will pay him to bring them out to help position the corals and this method would be done every 3.5 to 4 months. The reason for it is simple, I have three lower ruptured disk, I even problems to knee as well, less enough get under the tank stands. But were as there a will, there is a way for me to continue in this hobby, but if your not a person who I can tell you that I know this or that, then your not any person I would care to go on with. I said I was sorry and that means for whatever misunderstanding you might have or had here.

I also took a look back at any info you might had said and I told you were you said if I can wait and I can, only nothing you said other then what you did of any specific type of SPS coral and I can still wait if your a mind to assist me in anyway here?

So all this gotten side tracked only because I was letting you know that I know where to position the zoas and ric, and that young Sir is very unprofessional of you.

A message to the staff, Please close this thread, I will get whatever answers im looking for from elsewhere for there happens to be two people who has been giving answers to which/what im looking to do and im sorry about my crappy typing, but I have little control to best express myself for if trido were on my end of the keyboard, he might understand better, but there are others who do, his just not one of them.

And BTW, that post took me more then 2.5 hours and you only made it all seem like a waste of time :?

I not want any answers on the question for SPS corals here and will not ask another at Reefs.org and perhaps that will change once others here see the tanks when they are started up. And perhaps the staff will fix it that I cannot post again, this too will work fine by me if this is what Im too expect.

People had problems with understanding my typing from day one in forums..............................