Dwarf Angel FOWLR Tank

[aznt1217]

Hello Everybody,

I have 40 Breeder Tank sitting around. I want to make it a FOWLR tank, as I do not want to spend a lot of money on lighting. I was thinking of making it a dwarf angel tank only.

I know they are territorial but if I keep different species do you think it will be okay?

Flame Angel
Lemonpeel Angel
Coral Beauty
Cherub Angel

 

[marrone]

The tank is a little small to keep those 4 together but maybe 2 of them would work. The Flame would probably be the most aggressive of the bunch. The Lemon peel can be hard to keep but the other should do well.

 

[Tangs Rule]

There is always aggression amongst dwarf angels in the same tank. Two of them may be able to co-exist (I would keep a close watch on them, you don't want one stressing out the other one) but I would think about some other options in case it doesn't work out.

 

[Tito]

Well.....

I'm going to have to be the bad guy here and say that many people have gotten away with multiple dwarf angels (more than two) in the same tank - but all of these tanks were big tanks. a 40 may be too small.

 

[aznt1217]

After much reading,

I've read that I can mitigate these problems with the following:

1. Introducing the Angels all at once
2. Making sure they are all different colors
3. Aquascaping with A LOT of hiding places so each finds its territory

I still have time to decide. What else would look good in a FOWLR? FYI I have a 54 Gallon Reef Tank as well.

 

[Wes]

if you try it have your buddies come over, pick a fish and throw $20 in the pot. Last fish standing takes the money.

 

[JLAudio]

54 looking great

 

[ZBT3091]

just out of curiousity where is the return for your 54? i dont see anything in your fts.

 

[dabgood21]

I had a 46 bow that I kept a Flame and a Coral Beauty in. They would follow each other constantly in a buddy-buddy kind of way.

But I agree, I wouldn't put more then 2-3 in any tank regardless of size, it's inviting a problem. If you want to try 3 or more I would stick with the same angel and just get 3-4 of them. Could be kind of cool if they all look a bit different.

You never really know what can happen when adding fish together (assuming they can't eat each other). I currently have a yellow clown goby, hi fin banded goby, bi-color Blenny, and a purple fire fish living together ina 40 breeder and they're all doing great. The Blenny and Clown Goby actually hang out right next to each other perching on corals.

Whatever you decided to do, remember they should all be about the same size and introduced to the tank at the same time with plenty of hiding places. Good Luck! :bablefish

 

[Tito]

if you try it have your buddies come over, pick a fish and throw $20 in the pot. Last fish standing takes the money.

This isnt a wise remark.

I'm sorry - but there are many people that have kept 4 or 5 dwarf angels in a 125 or larger tank.

It has also been done with large Angels as well.

Typically - the fish have to be introduced at the same time for success.

I have Four tangs in my 125 right now and there is no fighting.

Experience overcomes what the books say. Oh, and some of the best books actually say - introduce at teh same time if introducing more than one angel or tang.

Let me know when this happens - I'll gladly come and take your money on a wager.

 

[Wes]

This isnt a wise remark.

but it is wise to go break all of the guidelines given to us by people who have already tried?

It's not wise to risk the well being of a fish plucked from the wild for selfish reasons either. Just because someone you know has done it does not mean it will work for everyone.

 

[Wes]

Compatibility: For the most part Angelfishes can be real bullies. Being very territorial and aggressive, these fish will particularly fight with species of their own kind and sex, as well as with other related and non-related fishes that are similar in appearance, color, shape, or behavior.The smaller Centropyge genus, medium size Chaetodontoplus, Genicanthus and a few other genera species in this group do well in a non-aggressive fish community with other non-related species like Anthias', Butterflies, Gobies, Blennies, Tiles and such.
Other larger Holacanthus and Pomacanthus genera species commune well with less-passive tank mates, such as Triggers, Hawks, Groupers, Damsels, and Surgeonfishes.Most Angelfishes live a solitary life, but some wander the reef in small groups of two or three, which are usually mated pairs or trio's of one male and several females. It is not uncommon for multiple males and sometimes females placed in the same aquarium to fight to the death. Overall Angelfishes do best when kept singly, one to an aquarium, but there are some species that make good pairs or can be kept in multiple groupings under the right conditions.Good Communal Species: The Lemonpeel Angelfish (Centropyge flavissimus) makes a good pair, and a trio of one male and two females can be kept in no less than a 100 gallon aquarium.

The Cherub Angelfish (Centropyge argi) is good for pairing and two or more females can be kept together, but only as long as the tank is at least 50 gallons ...

 

[aznt1217]

just out of curiousity where is the return for your 54? i dont see anything in your fts.

That's because the Midas Blenny is blocking it . It's a Locline that extends.

Jason, the tank has changed... quite a bit since this picture. You'll see it soon haha. Call me Zooanthid FREAK haha

 

[aznt1217]

Thanks for all the input. I am definitely going to think about this a lot more. Hopefully I'll have some other random inspiration for a tank. I am going to see what I can do with this 40 Breeder in terms of Aquascaping.

So far it's like hot and cold responses for these angels. More research will be done before it is done.

 

[Tito]

Just remember - the people that have succeded with multiple Angels be they dawrf or large have large tanks. A 40 breeder in my opinion is too small. If you had a larger tank you would not be doing anything that hasn't been done before and worked. You might want to wait until you have a larger tank - at least a 125 or a six footer.

 

[aznt1217]

I see... damn. Might look for an upgrade? New Years Resolution? haha

 

[NYreefNoob]

MY MONEY WOULD GO ON THE Cherub Angel BEING THE LAST STANDING AND IT'S THE SMALLEST OF THEM

 

[fernandokng]

Ted, I think your tank is too small. However, you can definitely fit a 125 in the room ;-)

 

[aznt1217]

lol.... we'll see what happens