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newkie

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Some of you may know that I have recently been experimenting with a new product made by Reeftec. As one of the early customers of the PE-1 I wrote a comprehensive review which may be worth reading if you are unfamiliar with this product, click here. Soon after a new version of the PE-1 kit was made available, the “slim-line” model. This model shaves off about an inch in width and adds water intake slots along the sides and the bottom. The old version only drew in water from the top creating problems for users who had their units mounted high in the tank; the intake was so strong that a whirlpool formed drawing in air. I believe this effect is lessened now that the intake is evenly spread out.

Soon after the PE-2 model was released. This model was already tested by Richard Harker in his review, click here. Although very pleased with my PE-1s I decided to give the PE-2s a try. The cost of two black PE-2 kits was $100, with an extra cost of $5/ea for the perimeter brace (euro-brace) style bracket. I found the PE-2 pumps online for $57/ea. All told, shipped, the units cost about $120 each.

Upon receiving the new units it is worth noting that their construction is improved. Reeftec is using new equipment which allows for the new intake slots and slimmed down dimensions. While I appreciate the effort made to reduce the bulk of the unit my wife aptly pointed out that it’s the depth of the unit, not the width, which really stands out when looking at the tank head-on. This is no fault of Reeftecs, as the enclosure is not much larger than the depth of the pump and propeller assembly. Once again, I was glad I chose black acrylic which has a sleek, more professional look. The enclosure no longer has mounting tabs on the inside of the box which left the pump with noticeable “wiggle-room”. Now the acrylic neatly “wraps around” the pump with no extra room at the sides or back. The intake slots are placed at the shaft, between the pump and propeller. In addition, twice as many mounting holes were drilled in the bracket, allowing for more than 4 mounting heights.

Now knowing what type of flow to expect (see previous review) and minding the Reeftec’s website mention of a 16% increase of performance I plugged in both PE-2s to my Red Sea Wavemaster Pro. The increase in water movement was substantial. Based on purely visual observation it appeared to increase 50%. I mentioned in the last review how the diffuse cone-like output becomes very broad past 2’ providing little, if any, tactile indication of water velocity (although the laminar flow can easily be seen visually via polyp movement and by adding air or dumping food in front of the unit). The PE-2 output could be felt well past the 2’ marker. The deflection off the side walls is so great that current bounces back. This can be best seen in my tank by watching a single Reeftec PE-2 running on the back-right side of the tank, running over and behind the rock structure. The current bounces off the left wall, around the rock structure to the front, and back to the middle of the tank. My first impression was “Finally! The water movement I’ve always hoped for!!!”

After making observations over the past couple weeks something happened which I never thought possible. I had actually gone too far! We have always heard the advice of the experts claiming that our sps can handle “as much current as we can throw at them”. Thus many of us have been searching for new ways of producing stronger and stronger current. I think very few of us have hit that point where we actually have too much water motion. With Reeftec we have to seriously consider what is too much flow and purchase accordingly.

It should be noted that my tank is 60”x18”x24” with a 5” DSB. I have a sps dominated tank with clams. Most of the corals are acropora, which like the new flow just fine. The fish, too, seem to enjoy the current (although pushed around a good bit). However I have noticed sediment damage on my montipora capricornus and pavona. I have noticed tissue damage to my montipora digitata and tubinaria (already partially caused by the PE-1s). Both clams, which reside on the sand bed, have been pushed over numerous times as the sand bed has been reshaped due to the current. I have noted that their inhalent siphons are nearly closed, as if they are trying to keep current out. Lastly my gorgonian, which greatly appreciated the flow of the PE-1 has scarcely shown a polyp.

I have since deactivated the night-time mode on my Wavemaster which tends to run both pumps simultaneously for extended periods of time. This is simply too much current for the tank. A sand storm kicks up, the fish are pushed every which way, and the water surface boils with turbulence. On the “gentle” setting the pumps mostly alternate which seems better. The long-term effect on my sand bed is unknown, it may keep pushing sand until the glass bottom is exposed and require rocks to be placed to create barriers. This should also be of concern to those who rest their rock structures on the sand as opposed to on the bottom or on PVC stand-offs. I now plan to remove one of the PE-2s in favor of running a PE-1/PE-2 combination. Hopefully this will solve some of the issues I’m having with sedimentation and tissue damage.

* Before continuing with a summation I wanted to mention that I am not a beta tester nor am in any way affiliated with Reeftec. I purchased both pairs of units at full price and took a loss when selling the PE-1s in order to test the PE-2s. That stated I want to assure you I have attempted for this review to be as impartial as possible.

While the idea of propeller driven pumps is not new, a simple commercial option was previously unavailable. Although you do not need to choose Reeftec, for the money you get a professional enclosure and can rest easy knowing your pump is secure (this would certainly be different than a powerhead falling off its suction cups!). The propeller modification is quick and straightforward; I almost did this second batch in my sleep. The water movement generated is simply remarkable considering the relative low power consumption of these pumps (36watts for the PE-1, 47watts for the PE-2, 80 watts for the not yet released PE-2.5). I believe the type of flow produced is the “most correct” for our reef tanks. Correctly sized you will achieve complete water movement, with turbulent and broad laminar flow. I think the fact that it is now possible to generate too much current is nothing short of revolutionary. Reeftec moves us beyond robotically throwing more power towards water movement with no consequences. It is an option which will force us to rationalize how much movement our systems actually require and choose the correct option accordingly without overshooting. Before, I chose Reeftec as a temporary alternative to a closed loop with SeaSwirls. Now I am convinced my new tank will use Reeftecs instead. Simply put I don’t think powerheads, closed loops, or Wave2Ks can produce the type and amount of current of a Reeftec. And for that I have no other choice but to award this product:
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npaden

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greenbud,

Thank you very much for a detailed and thoughtful review. I've been debating ordering one of these ever since they come out and just ordered one today. I'm getting a PE-2 model and will see how that works out then I will either get one or two more PE-1 or PE-2's.

I already have a closed loop running with an ampmaster and a big sequence pump running as my return with 3 - 1" seaswirls going as well as several static returns, but like you I seem to always need a little more flow. (Or at least I think my corals do). I'm planning for a setup where the reeftecs will be on full time with my sea swirls set up to intersect the flow from the reeftecs on their rotation back and forth to create some random turbulent flow.

Have you encounted any problems running the reeftec units on your wavemaker with curious fish or snails getting injured from the propeller?

Thanks again for the review.

Nathan
 

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Great review greenbud. I have also put off ordering one of these due to the concerns that Nathan brought up "Have you encounted any problems running the reeftec units on your wavemaker with curious fish or snails getting injured from the propeller?"
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npaden":34cjvymu said:
Have you encounted any problems running the reeftec units on your wavemaker with curious fish or snails getting injured from the propeller?
Nathan, the only sound I've ever heard from the Reeftecs is the occasional "knock, knock, knock" sound when a turbo tries to get to the propeller during an off cycle. However my wavemakers cycles happen to be short enough it just gets a couple knocks on the shell and then falls off. I think my Kole tang got whacked once, there was a flesh wound right between the eyes which would make sense if he was cleaning the propeller when it suddenly turned on (he healed in 3 days). All in all I'm not too worried, as the propeller is flush with the exhaust port. But there is the possiblity, especially if the on/off cycles are long, for fish or snail to get too close.

PS: now and then the current is no strong my lettuce nudibranch gets blown in to the current, sucked in to the reeftec, and blown out unharmed. The first time this happened I nearly wet myelf. Amazingly everytime he seems okay!
 

npaden

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I asked because I had a curious 6-line get chopped into bits by a gemini powerhead in the 30 minutes between when I put them in the tank and I located the appropriate screen for the intake. I had a vision of a 6-line sneaking into the unit when it was off and then getting chopped into bits when it turned back on a spit him out through the propeller.

For now I'm going to leave mine on full time but I do have a red sea wavemaster pro laying around that I might hook up when I get more of them in the tank.

Thanks again for the detailed review.

Nathan
 

Ritteri&Bubbles

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For the money the Wave2k is the better way to go.Much more natural back and forth movement, both top and bottom, and most important, no exposed impeller. No way would I want an exposed impeller in any tank of mine. Just another expensive form of a power head in my book.
 

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I like the style of the large output, for better flow. Also worried about the prop chop though. Whats the wave2k?
 

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i also received a PE-2 a couple weeks back. it is AWESOME and just what my 160-gallon reef tank needed. the amount of water it pushes is just amazing: and the corals love it. originally, i had 6 maxijet 1200's and the sump return and it was definitely not enough: probably needed 6 more maxijets. with the PE-2, i was about to remove 3 maxijets and still have about 3X as much current as before. it is definitely one of the best innovations in the last while, IMHO:)
 

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Ritteri&Bubbles":1rqukl2q said:
For the money the Wave2k is the better way to go.Much more natural back and forth movement, both top and bottom, and most important, no exposed impeller. No way would I want an exposed impeller in any tank of mine. Just another expensive form of a power head in my book.
I think you need to be careful about having an opinion until you have actually seen a Reeftec. To imply that a Reeftec has a tight, high velocity jet stream like a powerhead is completely incorrect. Wave2Ks do produce an interesting laminar flow but its period is so short that it has little push or momentum. Reeftecs actually produce a very broad, low velocity cone of turbulent laminar flow resulting in varying degrees of movement of the entire tank. If you have ever been diving some of the great reefs of the world you'd know the period of the current is not a few seconds like the Wave2K. With a wavemaker a Reeftec gains a much closer approcimation of "most correct" water movement inside a tank. That said, I think a combination of the two would be awesome.
 

Ritteri&Bubbles

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Already have seen the 1. unit. Never said it was a tight stream directly. But directly in fron of the impeller its still has a hard flow pattern. Yes it does disperse as it goes out farther. But as for natural goes. To myself the wave2k is much,much closer to "natural". It doesnt just push water, it also pulls water too. And there is no impeller exposed to possibly hurt any inhabitants in the tank. There is also a much wider dispersal of water and water flow. Not just on the horizontal plane, but the vertical plane too. To me the choice is obvious. Wave2k. As for a cobination of the 2, I would still be wary of any exposed impellar. But am sure the results would be beneficial.
 

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I'm kind of glad I waited to see some more reviews on these. After reading Ken Stockmans review I kind of agree with Ritteri&Bubbles. I'm sure the Reeftec works good on some tanks but it seems its more like turning on a fire hose then a wave maker.......

I'm one to play around with stuff so I'll probably still try one, maybe:)
 

Ritteri&Bubbles

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Ill even have to add something here. The design impellar cannot be partitioned off with a protective sleeve either like egg crate or acrylic with tons of holes drilled out, or even a net/mesh material as the "effect" of the unit is completely eliminated and you have what is in effect a power head with some form of dispersal nozzle("Y"ed off, etc etc) that can be purchased for a few bucks. This is why there is nothing in front of the impeller. So it kind of eliminates keeping it with small fish,anemones,snails,hermits,shrimp etc etc. without worrying about damage/killing the inhabitants or possible damage to the unit itself.
 

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I'd be worried what the bottom output of the wave2k would do to my sandbed. Prolly blow it all over the place. 8O
 

newkie

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golfish":3vcq2uqz said:
I'm sure the Reeftec works good on some tanks but it seems its more like turning on a fire hose then a wave maker.......
I think that depends on your tank dimensions and inhabitants. Keep in mind The PE-1 or the PE-A (coming soon) are two options for smaller tanks. I had 2 PE-1s in my tank originally (60x18x24, sps) and this was a perfect setup. As I stated in my review, we can't just mindlessly throw more power towards water movement. We have to consider how much flow we need and purchase accordingly. This was an option we previously didn't have without buying an incredibly expensive external pump.
 

Ritteri&Bubbles

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Yep, I read that post too. There are problems with the belt material, though I hear Jody is working on some improvements that should be implemented soon. And I for one too know that its going to take a bit of time to get the bugs worked out to keep warrenty issues to a minimum. But my point is the design and idea is SOUND. Nothing detrimental to inhabitants, and excellent water movement throughout the tank. I myself have both a corner unit and center unit in operation for "trials". I will even admit that there are small things that can be easily improved upon. Just like the reeftec units. The big concern on these is the exposed impeller. I think we can say that both products have obvious areas in need of improvement.
 

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