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Rook

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(Please read this all the way through prior to making a decision about it. Although IPSF has given me some problems regarding a lost shippment, they are now agreeing to work with me to reship the package. This was a very special order and circumstance. Keep this in mind before forming your own oppinion about IPSF.)



This company has the worst customer service I have encountered. They obviously do not care about their customer’s satisfaction.

I attempted to purchase a 9 for $99 detritivore inoculation kit from IPSF, and even though I never received the shipment (due to a FedEx mistake) IPSF refuses to refund my money.

After talking to IPSF a few time via email to clarify some question I had, I finally placed an order (via email and credit card on an answering machine) on Tuesday, February 4, 2003. In that order request I add very specific order instructions.

“PLEASE NOTE THAT THIS MUST BE DELIVERED ON FEBRUARY 8TH 2003. DELIVERIES AT
A TIME OTHER THAN THIS DATE WILL NOT BE ACCEPTED AS I WILL NOT BE AROUND TO
RECEIVE IT AND ACCLIMATE THE ANIMALS PROPERLY”

“I need the items delivered to me on Saturday, Feburary 4th, 2003. THIS IS A MUST. I will not be available to accept the delivery at any other time. Therefore, if this cannot be meet please inform me and I will need to reschedule this.”

Saturday delivery requires an additional $10 premium shipping charge.

On Wednesday, February 5th, 2003, Gerald Heslinga from IPSF responded back to my request stating:

“Thanks Jeremy - we'll arrange for Sat delivery as requested - shipping
details and invoice will be e-mailed out tonight.”

I want to specifically note the language “we’ll arrange for Sat delivery as requested.”

On Thursday, February 6th, 2003, Gerald again emailed me and confirmed that the shipment was sent out that day, and later sent me the FedEx Tracking number.

Well Saturday, February 8th came and my package was supposed to be delivered. But, noon came and passed with not delivery. I promptly called FedEx to inquire about the shipment. They informed me that they made a mistake and the package was still in Oakland California. I informed them that the package contained live animals and was likely to die prior to finally ending up in Michigan. The representative then said she would contact the seller (IPSF) and arrange for a claim to be made against the lost package. She also instructed that I contact the shipper (IPSF) and inform them that the FedEx messed up the shipment and therefore either a new shipment or a credit of my account would need to be made.

Still on Saturday and shortly after speaking with FedEx, I email IPSF and informed them of the problem. To my dismay, this is the response I received from IPSF.

“Thank you for the note re: the status of your shipment. Sorry to hear of the delay, which evidently was related to a mechanical problem at the Fedex Oakland station. Our Live Arrival Guarantee requires that late boxes be accepted when delivered. In your case many of the invertebrates will still be viable (today) Monday. If the box is not accepted when delivered, Fedex will ship the box back to us at our expense. As noted on our website, this voids our Guarantee because it compounds our expense while dooming the organisms to certain death on the return leg to Hawaii. Also, unless the box is accepted when delivered and an earnest attempt made to acclimate the organisms, there is no factual basis for a DOA claim by the customer because the organisms were not at any time seen by the customer.”

So despite the fact that they recognized that FedEx made the mistake, and the fact that I expressly required Saturday shipment, they were not going to refund my money. But, I decided to call FedEx to see if the package would be delivered on Monday. They told me no, I could not get the package because it contained live animals that were expected to be dead, and the package was being sent back to the shipper.

I again informed IPSF of this situation and told them that I should not bear the price of a mistake by FedEx, particularly when FedEx openly admits responsibility. They again denied my relief.

Obviously IPSF does not care about its customers or their satisfaction. I have contacted my credit card company and they agree with me. They are starting a charge back against IPSF. I am also filing a complaint with the Michigan and U.S. Attorney General’s offices.

While I cannot comment on the product that IPSF sells (since I never had the chance to see it) I can strongly advise to not purchase from them. Even if they do have a good product, it is a roll of the dice on whether you will get the product. If you do not, I hope they don’t treat you the way they are treating me.

Despite the fact that IPSF will surely file a claim and be refunded by FedEx (who admits responsibility) they are still charging me. Thus, they are being paid twice for one product. I think this companies morals and service are disgusting and we as consumers need to let them know that we will not tolerate it.

If anyone else has had poor experiences with IPSF please write it here and let everyone know.

Sorry for the length.

Rook
 

wittyfellow

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Wow, thanks for the heads up. Sounds like you had a really bad experience and no one wants to help in the end. I hate it when no one wants to take responsibility and just resolve the situation. So, what ever happend to your package if you weren't there to receive it on Monday? Did it go back to IPSF?

They really should credit your card, or send it out again for another saturday delivery, with apologies and work something out with you.

:x

I was about to order my 9 for $99 as well, actually... Was just doing research here to see if anyone had any suggestions on which nine to get, but I guess I'll have to revisit that.... Surely someone out there had a good experience with them.. Anyone? Speak up and let us know if this is just an isolated incident?!?!?

Can I ask where you will be getting your cleanup/starter package now? FFexpress? InlandAquatics?

Sorry again to hear about the screw up.... I hope you've been able to vent a bit and that the credit card company will credit your monies accordingly.. If not, let me know, I'm a lawyer 8) Not that I could help very much...
 

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Nice rant! Having worked in that neck of the woods they work on "rubber time". Your deadline means nothing. Maybe next time have them deliver to your lfs where you can pick up your stuff at your convenience.
 
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I must be missing something. It seems to me that if you had played my their rules, they would have been more than happy to work it out.
 

Rook

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wittyfellow

Actually, Fedex never attempted to deliver to me, even on Monday. They simple rerouted it back to IPSF.

I may buy from InlandAquatics. I have heard good things about them, and they are close by in Indiana.

Again, I am not making any statments about the product. I am sure lots of people have had good success with IPSF. But, you better hope there is not a problem. If my case is any indicatior of how they resolve problems then I would avoid them.

Also, I will be finishing lawschool in December. This is why I knew enough to put specific language in the order (contract offer) that would supercede their general policy. I need delivery on Saturday. I could not accept delivery anyother day. I made this clear and they agreed.

If my credit card company does not come through for me, which I am sure it will, I will use the courts. If even just for the satisfaction of making them spend the time and money just to lose. I wonder if their frequent flier miles will get them a free trip to Michigan to go to court?
 

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I ordered from them with no problems before.
Their customer service was very good IMHO.

If there was a hang up with your order still sitting in Oakland. I don't see why there would be a problem with the claim.
Unless there is something you haven't told us.

The thing I wanna know is.
Why did it have to be there on Saturday?

Any livestock shipment should never be recieved on Saturday.
First of all. They are short handed and not all drivers are running. Due to alot of business being closed on Saturday.

It would be foolish for fed Ex to have all of their crews working on Saturday.

Next time, order when it is convenient for you to be there or pick it up and NOT on a Saturday.

If you paid by credit card.
Just, call your bank and tell them what has happened.
You do have the tracking number, right?

If so, Your bank will be able to verify that an order was placed, Fed Ex will be able to verify that the order never arrived and that a claim was issued. Your bank will back up your claim and charge back on them.

In the future, please don't order any livestock that has to be delievered on Saturday. You'll risk a chance of never seeing it. If ya do, it maybe all dead by the time ya get it.

Just consider it a lesson learned.
 

Rook

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"I don't see why there would be a problem with the claim.
Unless there is something you haven't told us. "

I don't think there is a problem with the claim. Except that IPSF has to make it not me. IPSF will thus recieve payment from FedEx and me.

I had to arrive on Saturday because that is the only day I can be home all day and wait for a package. I will try to take your advise and have livegoods shipped during the week. This just means that I have to take a day off work, but it would be worth it to not have this problem.

I did call my bank and they are currently making a claim for a charge back. I even tried to give IPSF a chance to correct the problem, and said I would still be willing to buy from them if they would only fix this situation. They did not care.
 
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I have had nothing but above and beyond the norm customer service from ISPF. They once neglected to include something in my order and immediately sent out another shipment with some extra goodies at their expense.

This case seems like a bunch of miscommunications. ISPF requires that the package be delivered, even if late, to give the animals the best chance of making it and to lower expenses. Fedex was told the animals would be dead.
ISPF did arrange for Saturday delivery. Fedex blew it.

I would be interested in reading your emails to ISPF regarding the issue, as I am suprised that ISPF wouldn't try to work something out.

The advice regarding not having Saturday deliveries makes much sense.
 
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Rook":20myrt6z said:
I even tried to give IPSF a chance to correct the problem, and said I would still be willing to buy from them if they would only fix this situation. They did care.

Now I am confused. In your rant, you seemed to say that ISPF did not care and were not going to try to fix the problem. What is the whole story - what is the part about them caring?

I am concerned because you bashed them which could hurt their business, and now it seems like the bashing may not be completely justified.
 

jeffsdesigns

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Rook,

I'm sure there were some miscommuncation somewhere.
It happens sometimes.

Maybe there maybe a way you can pick up your order next time from your local Fed Ex office. I know you can, maybe pick it up on the way home from work or during lunch.

If anything, I'm sure your bank will cover you.
Then again, once when IPSF seems a chargeback claim come thru.
I'm sure they will refund and someone on the higher up will look into what happened.

Mistakes do happen.
I'm sure what happened to you is very rare.

If your looking to buy some spagetti worms from Inland.
Ya might still wanna try with IPSF again or there is another guy, Bill's Reff? or something like that.
Inland is about 2 hores away from me, my hometown and last time I talked to them. they were about completely sold out of spagetti worms and such. They were gonna jack the price up to like $8 per.
Thats when I said, I'll go with IPSF and I was extremely pleased with what i got from them.

If you still decied to go with Inland. See if they stocked back up on Spaegettis.
 

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jeffsdesigns":38cn3ep3 said:
Any livestock shipment should never be recieved on Saturday.
First of all. They are short handed and not all drivers are running. Due to alot of business being closed on Saturday.

It would be foolish for fed Ex to have all of their crews working on Saturday.

But this is why you pay a premium to have it delivered Saturday. If FedEx can't be reliable for Saturday deliveries, than they shouldn't offer the service.

From my understanding though, it had nothing to do with the fact that it was a Saturday delivery, so that point seems mute.

FWIW, my company sends out hundreds of packages a year via FedEX, and many of them get Saturday delivery, and as far as I know, we've never had a problem.
 

Rook

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Righty

sorry I meant to say they did not care. I fixed it.

I would be happy to share all of the emails with anyone who does not believe me. I have nothing to hide here. I will have to figure out how to do it though.

I did not want to go to this point with IPSF. Mistakes do happen. That is life you just need to understand it. My problem is when mistake happen, you should take steps to correct the problem. FedEx made a mistake. They admit it and told me they would allow a claim form IPSF.

IPSF just emailed me this statement.

"Nor are we seeking to be paid twice for the order. In the history of this
company (9 years old now) we have never sought or received compensation from
Fedex for a late delivery. Their requirements for documentation are
calculated to discourage claims, and anyone whose time has any value quickly
realizes this. Any mail order vendor will tell you basically the same thing.
You don't get "money back" from Fedex."

Sounds to me that since it is too much trouble to make a claim to FedEx they will just have me pay instead.
 
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I agree that if you must have Saturday delivery, have them hold it at the Fed-Ex location. I've done it both ways. My fauna and flora kit for Inland was supposed to arrive on Saturday. It was a no show. I called Morgan at Inland and he was very apologetic. They shipped it right , fed-ex blew it. I received them on monday and they were alive! The halemeda algea was the only thing that didn't survive. They gave me a $15 credit for my next order for the inconvenience.

If you pick up at Fed-Ex, you save the mishandling and bad weather that they may get exposed to on the truck. Plus, you can go pick it up at your earliest convenience instead of waiting around for them! I have started picking up all of my stuff at the fed-ex location for this reason. And they are only a 1/2 mile from my work. :)

I'd give IPSF another try if I were you. This is the first bad post I've seen about them since i've been a member of this board.

Louey
 

Rook

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Actually setting it up to be picked up from FedEx would not have helped this situation since FedEx messed up the shippment in Oakland California. I tried to work the situation out with IPSF and told them I would still be willing to buy from them. But they still did not want to work anything out with me. Because of this, I will not buy from them in the future.
 

Will C1

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wow that really sucks i had a similar expierience with FFE and i no longer buy from them either...oh well ya live and learn i buy pretty much eveything i cant build from my lfs now.
 

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Rook,
I've ordered from them in the past and was satisfied with their product and service. But thanks for the post. I don't think people should be afraid to report bad service and what they think/feel about it. Sorry to hear about it. Hope you get your money back.

-AM-
 

Lurshy

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Couldn't you just contact your Credit Card company? They should be able to credit you as the goods were never received and they will take back payment from the vendor. It is similar to a false charge against your account.
 
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“PLEASE NOTE THAT THIS MUST BE DELIVERED ON FEBRUARY 8TH 2003. DELIVERIES AT
A TIME OTHER THAN THIS DATE WILL NOT BE ACCEPTED AS I WILL NOT BE AROUND TO
RECEIVE IT AND ACCLIMATE THE ANIMALS PROPERLY”

“I need the items delivered to me on Saturday, Feburary 4th, 2003. THIS IS A MUST. I will not be available to accept the delivery at any other time. Therefore, if this cannot be meet please inform me and I will need to reschedule this.”

Does anybody else find this to be very confusing?
 
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I do Dan.

PS
I am not ignoring your beastie pic requests, I just don't have any worth posting yet!
 

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