Anyone interested in having photos of their fish published?

[Terry B]

Hi all,
If you are interested in having a photo of your fish published please let me know. I am looking for publishing quality photos of individual specimens. I am also interested in photos of diseased fish. I can't offer any money but several magazines will take photos that I submit to them along with my articles. You will be given credit and your name will be used with any photos.
Terry B

 

[GSchiemer]

Silly question: Are these magazines paying you for the articles and pictures?

 

[Terry B]

Yes the magazines do pay me for the articles, but they don't pay squat for photos. Sorry, this offer will not help you to make money. It is only for those that would just like to have a photo published and be credited as the photographer.
Terry B

 

[Chucker]

Methinks you are missing Greg's point entirely, Terry.

 

[Anonymous]

To put Greg's and Chucker's point more bluntly, why should we give you photos (which screams for copyright control) and allow you to make money with them that we then see none of.

 

[Will C1]

i could care less if you get some cash for it. ihave some pic that would be great. e mail me.

 

[Anonymous]

So, you don't care if he makes money off of you? Because, believe me, if you hand over your pics, not only can he make money from them (and he will), he can copyright YOUR pics.

 

[Will C1]

so i can take more. mabe im not following you on copywriting. i dont mind them being used hell i love the idea of my fish ending up in a magazine or book. of course i will ask for a copy of it for my troubles then i can take the book or mag to my friends and say look at this lol. i think it would be very cool.

 

[Anonymous]

No, I don't think you understand. If you let someone else copyright your work, that means that even YOU can't use it. But, I can't tell you what you should or should not do. I just thought that you might want to be aware of the implications. There are photobanks (libraries of photographs) for publishers and journalists to use. If you submit your pics into a photobank, then you get paid each and every time that picture is used, and you retain your rights to use the picture yourself, should you so choose.

 

[Will C1]

the only place i use them are here. so that would mean i cant use them anymore? i dont mean to sound stupid i just have absolutely no idea about legal stuff. where are these photobanks? mabe i will put the pics there for the public use. i have some really nice pics but there to large to post here.

 

[Anonymous]

My father has dabbled in photography (more than dabbled, he even studied with Ansel Adams a couple of years before he died).

There are companies that provide stock photos for all kinds of things: magazines, adverts, vacation promotional brochures...think of anything you've seen that has a photo in it, and someone has placed that pic into one of these banks. To the best of my knowledge, they generally tend to look for certain types of things. (Heh..you know how the picture frames you buy often come with pics of no one you know in them?) Medical pics, for instance, to advertise a doctor or school.

Anyway, the pics have to of a certain quality, they have to be in slide form (at least his did for print), and he retains control and ownership of them. So, when we have someone like our friend here who's fishing for pics for free, he's bypassing this avenue, and I have a feeling that he's very well aware of copyright laws and what happens when you submit a photo to him. I believe that our friend Sharkky is probably much more hip to all of this than I am, btw.

When you put up a pic here, to the best of my knowledge you retain ownership/control of it. However, I believe that if it's "grabbable" you can lose it quite easily. Not that someone can take it from you, but they could possibly capture the image into their own box and then use it themselves. I don't know how to put a pic up and avoid this, because I've never been able to sort out how to hide my url to my own pics. Again, someone else will have to tell you how that's done.

What I just wanted to let you know is that this is the situation, and it doesn't seem right to me that anyone would do this and not fully inform the people they're contacting that this could happen. (That they could copyright your pics out from under you) I don't know all the legalities, but they are there.

 

[sschafer]

He can only take copyright ownership of your photos if you give it to him. I have sent in photos for publication before and retained the copyright. Just don't sign it away. Obviously copyright is much easier to prove with film then it is with digital photography.

-Steve

So, you don't care if he makes money off of you? Because, believe me, if you hand over your pics, not only can he make money from them (and he will), he can copyright YOUR pics.

 

[Terry B]

Offer to do something for someone and there is always someone out there that has to misconstrue things. Let me see if I can make this simple. Magazines like FAMA (just one example, not picking on them) are not willing to pay for photos because they can get plenty of them for free. If you don't believe me why don't you contact the editor yourself. I get paid zero for any photos that I would send them and I personally would rather have people send them directly to magazines themselves. My articles will be published with or without any photos, it has no effect on me. I simply thought there would be a lot of people eager to see their aquatic friends in print and to have their name given as the photographer. Now maybe they would pay you IF they use the photo for the magazine cover, but I don't think there are too many making money taking photos for aquarium magazines. They probably make an exception here and there but generally the magazines that I talk to don't want to pay. Personally, if I was good at taking photos and wanted to show off my wet-pets then I would love to see them in a magazine. Now if you want to make money taking photos I am sure that there are other magazines that could help someone out, try National Geographic. The bottom line is don’t submit a photo if you have a problem with it, take it for what it is and stop looking for conspiracies.
Terry B
PS. You may as well close this thread, I am done trying to help someone have a little fun with thier hobby.

 

[Telochupoto]

Although it is easy to point a finger, and raise the age old issue of "why should I help you make money off of me?" I believe the individual in this case is raising a good point as whether or not he will be paid for the pics. I for one don't see how he can take copyright of someone else's pics meanwhile he clearly stated at the begining of the post that credit will be given to those that send them in. Now, with that said is just a matter of trust, and fatih in a man's word of honor, which most of us by now have lost the concept of. Like Seamaiden said, placing a pic on this or any other site will not guarantee that someone cannot take them off and post them as theirs somewhere else. So with that said, why should he go through the trouble of asking for them meanwhile he could just take them? As personal experience, have any of you ever sent in pictures to publishers or writters to have them printed? I only read of one individual on this post that has; and like he stated, people that submit their pictures don't do it for money, they just do it for the 15 seconds of fame [sort of speak] and to show off that what they actually love to do in their spare time it has actually being taken seriously by someone else, and he has been honored with the printing of his tank inhabitants or such. I for one wouldn't mind sending in pictures of my fish or corals if it is to illustrate how well I have taken care of them, or to teach someone or just show someone an idea on how to setup an aquarium or just how to select inhabitants for such an aquarium; whatever the case of the article or column may be. Just my 2 Cents.

 

[Anonymous]

Maybe I should have prefaced my original reply with "I am a photographer." My day job is as a middle school teacher, but I do photography in my spare time. I've shot several local professional sporting events and had a couple of my aquarium photos published.

What seamaiden said was pretty much spot-on (btw sm, email me sometime...I want to hear stories about your dad working with A.A.--he's one of my freakin' heroes!!!). It's all well and good that Terry is now saying that he'll give the photographer a photo-credit, but in legalese, a "photo credit" is miles and miles away from full or even partial copyright control. I'm not saying Terry's motives are noble or ignoble, I'm just saying have a little caution. Suppose...just suppose that you have a photo that you 'give' to 'Joe Smith' (I don't want say Terry because I don't know whether he'd do this or not, and I don't want to point fingers like that). So say you give your photo to 'Joe Smith' who tells you that you'll retain copyright control. That's a far cry from what has been offered here. Now suppose then that Joe Smith's editor takes one look at the article and realizes it's the best thing he's ever read. He's going to put it in a book, photos and all. If Joe Smith is on the shady side and you don't have a contract of some sort that transfers specific usage priveliges of the photo without transferring copyright, he simply erases the line that says photo credit or photo copyright and it's now his. Joe Smith makes a million bucks off of the article and YOUR photo (which is now his, unethically and legally speaking), and you get bupkis.

Granted, for our forum here that is an extraordinarily far-fetched scenario, but if you talk to any photographer or look into any photography books, you'll get the advice to do that with any photo by any photographer. Heck, I'm very, very amateur and when I have even a friend do some modeling for me, I have signed contracts with full disclosure and stated copyright controls, even if I have no intention of ever trying to sell or publish the photos. If you ever see one of my photos come up on a website or something (Although I tend to be a little lax around here...guess I just trust all you fellow RDOers ), you'll most likely see a copyright notice and my name embedded in the image. Heck, even posting a 'stolen' image to a simple photography critique website like photosig.com is prosecutable.

Anyway, again, I don't want to be a voice of doom and gloom here. Odds are Terry is on the up-and-up and this is making a mountain out of a molehill, but in this day and age, I'm all about protecting my own arse and taking everything with a bit of caution and forethought.

-John

 

[Anonymous]

Terry B
PS. You may as well close this thread, I am done trying to help someone have a little fun with thier hobby.

fwiw, I don't think anyone that posted meant Terry any ill-will. As I said in my 2nd reply, I'm sure he probably is on the level. We're just advising a little caution. I'm sorry that Terry took that as a personal attack, it wasn't meant that way at all. The childish retort is just kind of disheartening. :roll: :?

 

[Anonymous]

Well, all that having been said, I would suggest to Will C:

Why not? Send in some pics.

 

[Anonymous]

Ok, now all the legal issue are hashed though, does anyone want to give Terry some photo's in hopes to see them in a magazine one day? :roll:

Any particular fish that you are really interested in Terry? My computor is full of pictures and I'd be glad to share them with you or anyone else for that matter. Otherwise, they'll just sit on my hard drive for all eternity.

Louey

 

[Will C1]

i still would love to see my fish in print so that bein said i have some great pic's name some thing you want pics of and i will send you some.

 

[Anonymous]

You ask a simple question and all you got was some crap from people.I will send some pics.If you make money all the power to you.I am new to this web site and all I have seen is alot of teary eyed,runny nose punks posting there opinions.See I make alot of money and I like to share things with people so they can make some.I learned this from my wife.So if you make millions enjoy but remember the movie Pass It On.Try it .it Feeeeeeels Goooood.