Can livestock be carry on luggage?

[Anonymous]

Well there ya go, from the man who has seen it all

That and I wouldn't put the security checkers on the high end of checking stuff, just dont hide anything in your shoes, and if they ask what it is be truthful about it. Although if they ask you to drink the water to make sure it's really water you might be in trouble

I haven't seen a monkey juggle yet

 

[Anonymous]

Well there ya go, from the man who has seen it all

That and I wouldn't put the security checkers on the high end of checking stuff, just dont hide anything in your shoes, and if they ask what it is be truthful about it. Although if they ask you to drink the water to make sure it's really water you might be in trouble

I haven't seen a monkey juggle yet

I have. You ain't missing much. Now, a monkey smoking...that is funny.

 

[Anonymous]

Well there ya go, from the man who has seen it all

That and I wouldn't put the security checkers on the high end of checking stuff, just dont hide anything in your shoes, and if they ask what it is be truthful about it. Although if they ask you to drink the water to make sure it's really water you might be in trouble

I haven't seen a monkey juggle yet

I have. You ain't missing much. Now, a monkey smoking...that is funny.

But, I've seen that. We need to hang out more often :lol:

 

[Anonymous]

Slight update now... no can do with carry on livestock because some jackasses in London, as a terrorist plot was foil as they tried to bring liquid explosives aboard many planes, so absolutely no liquids allowed on planes, any beverages, lotions/gels, or thermos full of coral.

Although they never said anything about your stored luggage, so you probably could place it in there, although I'd worry about a security agent opening it up or something and not completely closing it before putting it back.

 

[Anonymous]

This sucks because I am in Oregon on leave and I was going to pick up some nice frags from upscales here in Tualitin and fly them back with me in a thermos. No can do now.

 

[Anonymous]

You probably can do it, just stick it in your checked baggage. Make sure that the top is on tight

 

[Anonymous]

What about the pressure? I don't think luggage bays are pressurized.

 

[Anonymous]

good luck getting anything with water in it on as a carry-on after today... that was obviously a direct strike by al Qaeda at reefers. Damn you Osama!

 

[Anonymous]

What about the pressure? I don't think luggage bays are pressurized.

They have to be, otherwise IIRC the jet would crumble The strength come from the jet being a cylinder. If you pressurized only the top portion, you'd gain no strength with it being a cylinder. They're not heated, that's for sure.

 

[Anonymous]

Yeah, often animals are stowed in the luggage compartment, and while there has been recent news of lots of deaths on some airlines, at 30000 ft all animals would end up suffocating.

If you're really worried about pressure simply fill the thermos to capacity and leave no room for air. A thermos is a vacuum in between compartments so no worries about pressure there, and if you fill it all with water then there won't be any air to cause any pressure differential. Although don't know how the coral will fair with no air.. *shrug* it's a toss up if you leave too much air and the thermos goes on the side the corals get exposed

 

[Anonymous]

I went into the store yesterday and holy cow it is a phenominal store. Absolutely gorgeous tanks and frags. By far the best store I have ever been into. Unfortunately I don't think I want to risk killing the corals just to have a piece in my tank in Alabama. I don't think there will be enough oxygen in the thermos to survive for 12 hours or so. Anyone think otherwise? At any rate if you are in the portland area or are passing through on I-5, 3 minutes off of the freeway in Tualitin is Upscales LFS. It is an absolutely phenominal store. I beleive, if I am not mistaken, that Tyree has gotten LE coral from here.

 

[Anonymous]

Well corals do tend to make flights across the pacfic. Infact I'm sure those in the industry can give some nice stories about how little water some corals come in. I think the problem isn't the air but if it's a freshly cut frag it might slime up and that will limit its survivability, so unless you can get it cut hours in advance, and then pick it up.

 

[Anonymous]

These have been cut for days and are growing onto the plug. I am going to go talk to them this morning because they have some really nice frags there I have been looking for for a long time. Thanks for the advice.

 

[Anonymous]

Well corals do tend to make flights across the pacfic. Infact I'm sure those in the industry can give some nice stories about how little water some corals come in. I think the problem isn't the air but if it's a freshly cut frag it might slime up and that will limit its survivability, so unless you can get it cut hours in advance, and then pick it up.

It's a HUGE factor of things Mike Die off in base of coral, type of coral (slime breaks down into ammonia), heat (shipping cooler is better), etc. Typically most corals enjoy a "clean out" period prior to being shipped via export.

 

[Anonymous]

Well another thing you might do (might be crazy/stupid) is have some salt in a baggy (don't know how the TSA will react to that though.... *laugh*), when you get to the checkpoint pour out the water from your coral bag leaving the coral dry until you get through the check point, then find a store buy a bottle of bottled water (shouldn't be chlorinated) add salt, make some new salt and bag your coral up


(btw I'm kidding... )

Gresham, I did mention a "clean out" period (just maybe too short of one)
Weren't there some corals which shipped somewhat dry? I know anemone are sometimes done that way, but SPS corals? I might be thinking of something else..


Eitherway, unless you absolutely HAD to get that coral, I'd leave it until the TSA changes policy. Also nothing that says you have to do a thermos, you could also just have a syrofoam box with the coral in a good amount of water, then put it in a heavy duty cardboard box, duct tape the crap out of it, then stick it in a duffle bag or something as your normal luggage (you don't absolutely need to stick it in a thermos)

 

[Anonymous]

From the field, no one is really doing dry shipping with SPS, but zoas/star polyps/anemonies/sarcophytums have all been done that way nearly exclusively for years now

Clean out period when talking about export, is mainly dealing with base die off of critters. It's amazing how much stuff avtually lives in the base of most corals. Not many are shipped as bare frags, thats a domestic thing typically. Solomans ships frags like that, but they heal them for a while as the wound is usually totaly coverred in new grwoth when we see them.