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125reefer

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i am SOOOOO confused with dosers calcium reactors kalk stirrers.i want a sps tank and i am looking into every option but my head is spinning.ive never had any of this equipment and i am looking into it now for the 2nd setup but i have no idea what im looking for.i wanted a calcium reactor but i see i need something for alk which is a kalk stirrer i guess but dont know how and when i should set it up.then i was just looking at dosers and they look like someone from the 4th dimension would be the only one who would know how to set it up and it seems you still need a kalk reactor for it.the brs seems interesting but how does that work.do you need a ato.do you hook the 2 bottles of esv to it.i just want something simple that will keep my alk and calcium stable and i wont need that kid from science class with the big glasses to hook it up for me :)
 

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i really want an fully automated system for the first time ever.i am planning on putting alot of sps in my setup and the sand bed is going to be full of clams and some lps.my calcium will be eaten up quickly so i really want something that will be more reliable then my lazy a$$.i really want a calcium reactor but if and when i do i want to make sure i have everything i need to keep it stable.so not sure exactly what that is.
 
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The best thing to do is to test daily and dose as needed. If the automatic doser messes up you could do more damage than good.
 

125reefer

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yes i thought about that but i do want to try it.i will have the reactor hooked up to the RKL.i heard that if the ph goes to high the RKL would shut down the reactors.i just need to figure out how that works
 
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I also subscribe to the "keep it simple" method. If you aren't familiar with reactors and the nuances of chemistry you are better off just using a 2-part system until you feel comfortable and knowledgable enough to use a reactor. The more complex you get the more room there is for error.
 

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I would keep going with the manually dosing and maybe step up to kalkwasser in your ATO when your tank demands it. The whole thing with ALL of the equip, is being able to test and know what your tank needs. Even with reactors, you have to manually dose and make sure your levels are correct before you start using it. The reactor, dosing pumps, kalk stirrers and all that sh*t, keep your params stable if used correctly, but you have to start off with the correct parameters.
 

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Ok, you can go one way or both.. Let's start with the CR...

I would look into the GEO models because they are rock solid, made here and are pretty much set it and forget it units.. You will need a good cO2 regulator (Connects to the CO2 tank).. I recommend the reef fanatic, because it automatically sets the pressure, taking the need away from having to do that manually. Also, I would purchase a good ph controller and a CO2 tank.. The GEO models have a port for a ph probe directly in the main chamber. This probe will monitor the PH inside of your recator and cut the Co2 should the PH drop too low. You will also need a feed pump, like an mJ1200 unless you can feed the reactor off your return line.. Once you're all setup, you have to time the amount of C02 bubbles per minute (usually about 20/min, which is controlled by turning a small valve on the regualtor), which you will be able to see through a chamber in your CR (all reactors have this chamber). Now it's time to set your drip rate for your effluent( The water coming out of your reactor). This, as well as the bubble count will vary based on your tanks needs. I usually set my my ph controller so that the the PH inside the reactor does not drop below 7.3. You don't want your media to turn to mush by allowing the ph to drop too low inside the reactor (The larger ARM media is good stuff to use and has a slower more even dissolve rate vs. the crushed media). If the PH is too low in the reactor, it will probably have more of a downswing effect on your tank's ph, which you don't want. The nice thing about the controller, is that even if you have too much CO2 going into the reactor, it will stop the C02 flow once it hits your set point. So, the controller makes it pretty much bullet proof. Here's a good rule of thumb... If you can get your reactor to stay in the 7.3 to 7.5 range between the amount of C02 your dosing and the set drip rate of the efflluent, you're pretty much in good shape...

Now for kalk.. I happen to use both because my tank suffers from sub 8.0 ph without it.. So, I use it more for the ph control than anything else. My setup is very simple. I add kalk (2teaspoons a gallon) in to my 32 gallon RO vat.. I use an aqualifter pump connected to a reef fanatic Level controller to draw water out of the vat. I use and aqualifter because it draws water slowly and that's what you want when dosing kalk . You don't want to dose too quickly and spike you ph. saturated Kalk water has a ph of around 10.0, so that explains why you want to dose slowly. When the water in my sump drops from evaporation, the level controller kicks on the aqualifter and suck the water from the topoff vat into my sump. The safe guard, is the second float switch on the level controller. If for some reason the main switch sticks, the second switch will cut off the aqualifter and stop potential flooding or the addition of too much kalk to the tank (I would not auto dose kalk without a second float switch for a safeguard). I find that the best way to mix the kalk is with a strong pump that stays in the vat... Once the vat is just about empty, I fill it up with ro water, add the kalk. I cover the vat and let the pump run for two minutes.. Fresh Water will only absorb up to 2 teaspoons of kalk per gallon, so you dont have to worry about mixing too much. Allow the water in the vat to sit for four hours before dosing into the tank and make sure that you are not drawing the water off the very bottom of the vat to dose the tank. Draw the water fromat least 4 inches from the bottom for safety. You only have to mix it once per full vat. Whatever does not disolve will settle at the bottom of your vat and be there for your next mixing. Another great benefit of using Kalk, is that it binds phosphates in your tank, which is always a plus when it comes to contolling algae. Using it along with a calcium reactor offsets the downswing in PH caused by the reactor in additon to the the benefit above. I hope you find this information helpful. Good luck with your decision.
 
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125reefer

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thanks jbanks useful stuff.what about using the ph probe from the RKL.i heard there is a way to set your calcium reactor to the controller and if ph drops below a certain point the RKL will shut down the calcium rector.is this correct.if so would you happen to know how to set this feature.
 

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thanks jbanks useful stuff.what about using the ph probe from the RKL.i heard there is a way to set your calcium reactor to the controller and if ph drops below a certain point the RKL will shut down the calcium rector.is this correct.if so would you happen to know how to set this feature.

This particular question is simply about how you program the RKL. You program the circuit the the Calcium Reactor is plugged into to shut off if the pH is below whatever point you program it to (you can also program it to shut off if the pH is too high).

Do you know how to program your RKL?
It would be the same type programming language you would use when programming a heater, but in this case you program the Ca reactor.
 

125reefer

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kathy i have no idea how to set up the rkl.all i got going on now is timers for my lights.ph and temp.i know this thing does amazing things i just have no idea what yet LOL.i can give advise on livestock and maintenence of a aquarium.when i comes to gizmos im lost :)
 

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kathy i have no idea how to set up the rkl.all i got going on now is timers for my lights.ph and temp.i know this thing does amazing things i just have no idea what yet LOL.i can give advise on livestock and maintenence of a aquarium.when i comes to gizmos im lost :)

You are not alone on programming those gizmos!
As I don't have RKL's (I have AC JR's on all my tanks), perhaps we can find someone here that lives near you that can help you with the programming. Doing it on here or the phone is tricky at best.

Anyone with a RKL who can help this reefer out?
 

125reefer

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well when the time comes i will ask for a brooklyn reefer to help me out with the cal and alk reactors and the rkl.it wont be for awhile.all my sps seem happy right now and im in no rush to set up this new equipment.it will probably be in the next 3months or so.i just dont want to be totally lost when the time comes.i will keep researching what best suits my tank as far as this equipment.these 2 pieces of the equipment is the last on my list.still researching LED lighting and ATO.
 

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hey 125..i have a MTC pro cal. my best advice..is read read read...then test test test..learn about drip rate to bubble rate ratios..and you need to know what exactly your tank needs, what it uses up, and how much to get it stable. the key is stability. also, based on the cal reactor you choose. read up on how to set the same exact reactor up. id setup the reactor before you put sps in just so you learn how to configure the system without killing anything. thats just my 0.02. but seriously. read a LOT. learn how cal and alk go hand in hand. learn about how the parameters you want wont be exactly the same as the ratios you will get. feel free to PM me for assistance. i lost sps in the process, and i know others have as well. so take your time and have patience.
 

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