[b]REEForm Notice To Industry[/b]

[Anonymous]

Mary,

Thank you for your informed response. While I'm encouraged by recent ecological projects such as yours it wasn't entirely clear to me whether we were much further along now than 10 years ago.

If you had asked me which I care more about- reform done fast or reform done right, my unswerving answer would be "right reform implemented quickly". The more we delay to take significant action the more widespread the problem becomes and the more difficult and expensive the solution becomes. That is, $10 invested wisely now is much more valuable than $10 invested wisely 5 years from now.

I'm happy to hear that Ferdie is trying to get somthing larger started in the P.I. Is there anything that we can do from here to get involved? Also, I don't think that any reform program will make a significant change in the business practices over there until it bcomes self supporting by either the P.I. industry or the P.I. government. Until the P.I. government actively searches for and prosecutes those that engage in destructive collection techniques (both ornamental and food fishing) the problem will continue to be significant.

Sincerely,
Lee

 

[Anonymous]

Remember the old adage, my friends, "If you haven't got time to do it right the first time, you'll have time to do it right the second time".

 

[naesco]

Wayne,
I saw that video about 20-years ago. Yes it was not pretty to watch, but you need something that shows things the way they are today. Your actions may negate all the good the NGOs have done in the 20-years since. You need to prove something is going on now. You need to prove it still exists and IMO if something that dated is all you have, you have nothing.

Good advice Dizzy. Thank you.
We will make arrangements to send someone to P/I to shoot the cyanide trade at work. Sadly, that won't be hard to find. There will no staging. Industry's dirty little secret will be out.

In the coming days, REEForm will be in contact with industry both in Asia and North America. We want them to support the funding of nets for fishers. We want them to support the CDT laboratory in the Philippines and to fund setting one up in Indonesia.
We want to open up discussions with them on the issues we have raised.

Industry must understand that although we are 100% committed to the end of the use of cyanide which is destroying the reefs and its inhabitants we intend to be reasonable, approachable and accommodating wherever we can.
REEForm

 

[MaryHM]

Industry must understand that although we are 100% committed to the end of the use of cyanide which is destroying the reefs and its inhabitants we intend to be reasonable, approachable and accommodating wherever we can.

You haven't been any of those things up to this point, so why should anyone believe you will be in the future?

Reasonable: You have made numerous unreasonable and uneducated demands. You have also made threats. You have refused to acknowledge and work with the true reform that is happening as we speak. I don't call that reasonable.

Approachable: You have ignored any serious questions, side stepped them, given vague answers, or used your famous "all in due time" answer. Approachable? You won't even tell us who Reeform is. How can one approach something that won't reveal itself? The only person I've seen supporting Reeform is you. Apparently the rest of your supporters are either not firm enough in their convictions to support you publicly, as uneducated as you about the issues so they are afraid to speak out for fear of exposing themselves, or they are imaginary.

Accommodating: This means you are willing to work with others. You have not proven that once. I have pointed out serious errors, given you time to correct them before I point them out publicly, and you refuse to correct your mistakes. I and others have given you options for putting your passion to good use instead of bad. You have refused.

The way you have handled yourself up to this point, I wouldn't sit down in a room with Reeform to discuss the weather, much less reform issues. I have a feeling that a lot of other people feel the same way. At this point you aren't only destructive to the true reform movement, you are destructive to yourself and your own "organization" as well.

 

[flameangel1]

Naesco,,
As to Marys comment above- I TOTALLY AGREE WITH HER !!!
She did say it much calmer, than I think it though.

 

[flameangel1]

Naesco--
Added comment here--
IF you are really the fantastic business attorney that you told us,
hmmmm, would you like to turn all your business assets over to either Mary or myself to handle ???
I totally doubt it, and that is because you know we wouldnt know enough about your business not to lose everything for you.

You do not know enough about OUR business to just step in and tell us all what to do, either !!!!!!!

Let the Doctor take care of your broken leg- the lawyer close on your house, the dentist take care of your teeth, and let those who KNOW ( like Ferdie/Steve etc ), tell us what they need us to do to help.

 

[mkirda]

We will make arrangements to send someone to P/I to shoot the cyanide trade at work. Sadly, that won't be hard to find. There will no staging.

Naesco,

I sincerely hope that you and your video crew do not end up in the hospital, or worse, dead. I can envision no cyanide fishermen who would willingly let you film them. I could see them doing it for a hefty roll of dollars, but then it would be staged and you'd be able to be prosecuted as well.

The more you type, the less I want to be involved in REEForm...

Regards.
Mike Kirda

 

[tkhawaja]

Bunch of hot air I think. Just one big huge @ss troll.

 

[Anonymous]

Naesco - Can I ask what you are proposing the collectors do to replace the lost income if you succeed in closing the North American market? Like it or not this is their livelihood and educate don't legislate is my motto. Do you really think if we succeeded in closing the American market to Phillipine and Indonesian imports that the use of cyanide will stop?

Show me what you believe the causal relationship you see with stopping the flow of marine ornamentals into north america and stopping cyanide usage - I don't think you can make such sweeping generalizations about how they have to act - sure we would like the cyanide trade to stop but killing their market will not do anything to stop the cyanide collection of food fishes, siltation, coastal runoff and the large scale destruction of reefs from manmade activites - in fact I think it oculd have the opposite effect making them less valuable.