• Why not take a moment to introduce yourself to our members?

MaryHM

Advanced Reefer
Rating - 0%
0   0   0
This forum is a powderkeg of information on what is truly happening. As Mary Middlebrook aptly calls "Industy's dirty little secret."

Gosh Wayne, I thought you didn't have time to deal with this forum anymore since you're so "overwhelmed" by Reeform work. Obviously that's not the case. Instead of posting here, why don't you answer my criticisms of your reeform program? Cyanide caught Marine Cat got your tongue?? And by the way, I specifically told you not to mention me or my business unless you are directly addressing me. That request still stands.
 

dizzy

Advanced Reefer
Rating - 0%
0   0   0
naesco":34uw2bei said:
This forum is a powderkeg of information on what is truly happening. As Mary Middlebrook aptly calls "Industy's dirty little secret."
Stay tuned. There is more.
REEForm

Wayne your powderkeg is all wet. False data and sensationalized press releases are the foundation you are trying to build on. This whole mess is beginning to remind me of the O.J. Simpson case. "If the glove don't fit, you must acquit." Kalk is Johnny C.
 

mkirda

Advanced Reefer
Rating - 0%
0   0   0
John_Brandt":g568832t said:
I don't "refuse to believe the tests", I just want answers to certain questions. Industry wants to read about cyanide and its harm to reefs.

John,

I would agree that there are some unanswered questions about and and all CDTs. The questions raised here (and in the other threads) are all legitimate, IMO. I've voiced my opinion that I suspect that cross-contamination is probably not an issue. IOW, it is probably undetectable. But the only way to find out for sure is to institute testing...

I surely hope that whatever test MAC implements (probably the wrong word, but let's go with 'implement' for now...) has at least the accuracy level of the current test, and is subject to all the same questions, and furthermore, that testing is implemented to address the concerns brought forth and that the questions are answered publicly.

Addressing the concerns and answering the questions publicly: Can we hope for this?

Regards.
Mike Kirda
 

naesco

Advanced Reefer
Rating - 0%
0   0   0
MaryHM":xomxhi6e said:
This forum is a powderkeg of information on what is truly happening. As Mary Middlebrook aptly calls "Industy's dirty little secret."

Gosh Wayne, I thought you didn't have time to deal with this forum anymore since you're so "overwhelmed" by Reeform work. Obviously that's not the case. Instead of posting here, why don't you answer my criticisms of your reeform program? Cyanide caught Marine Cat got your tongue?? And by the way, I specifically told you not to mention me or my business unless you are directly addressing me. That request still stands.

Mary if you have any questions of REEForm send us an email or PM as I had earlier posted.

Mary your website which is in the public domain, contains a weath of information on the destruction cyanide has done to the reefs and comments made by you.
I have the legal authority to utilize your written comments here and on your website and to attribute those comments to you and I will do so.

To suggest that industry can quote from whereever they wish but that others cannot do so because they disagree with industry may be how industry works but it is not how democracy works.
Thank you
T
 

MaryHM

Advanced Reefer
Rating - 0%
0   0   0
Well now my wealth of information and comments have been removed from www.reefsource.com As much as I think the public should be able to be educated on this issue, I feel even stronger that I do not want you using me, my website, or my businesses to support anything you are doing.
 

Smyerscough

Active Reefer
Rating - 0%
0   0   0
naesco":3qdrgm1b said:
MaryHM":3qdrgm1b said:
This forum is a powderkeg of information on what is truly happening. As Mary Middlebrook aptly calls "Industy's dirty little secret."

Gosh Wayne, I thought you didn't have time to deal with this forum anymore since you're so "overwhelmed" by Reeform work. Obviously that's not the case. Instead of posting here, why don't you answer my criticisms of your reeform program? Cyanide caught Marine Cat got your tongue?? And by the way, I specifically told you not to mention me or my business unless you are directly addressing me. That request still stands.

Mary if you have any questions of REEForm send us an email or PM as I had earlier posted.


Mary your website which is in the public domain, contains a weath of information on the destruction cyanide has done to the reefs and comments made by you.
I have the legal authority to utilize your written comments here and on your website and to attribute those comments to you and I will do so.

To suggest that industry can quote from whereever they wish but that others cannot do so because they disagree with industry may be how industry works but it is not how democracy works.
Thank you
T


Hello ???
Rideau Hall ??
Can I speak to the Governor General please ?

Yes I would like to discuss the nomination of a person for the Order of Canada.

You need documentation ??

Yes I believe I can supply you with some. Will quotes from a website be sufficient ?

You say letters from his peers huh ??

Umm ... well I think I can get a few letters..

http://www.gg.ca/forms/ocnom_e.html


ROFL :lol: :wink:
 

naesco

Advanced Reefer
Rating - 0%
0   0   0
Smyerscough":1v1z7l3o said:
naesco":1v1z7l3o said:
MaryHM":1v1z7l3o said:
This forum is a powderkeg of information on what is truly happening. As Mary Middlebrook aptly calls "Industy's dirty little secret."

Gosh Wayne, I thought you didn't have time to deal with this forum anymore since you're so "overwhelmed" by Reeform work. Obviously that's not the case. Instead of posting here, why don't you answer my criticisms of your reeform program? Cyanide caught Marine Cat got your tongue?? And by the way, I specifically told you not to mention me or my business unless you are directly addressing me. That request still stands.

Mary if you have any questions of REEForm send us an email or PM as I had earlier posted.


Mary your website which is in the public domain, contains a weath of information on the destruction cyanide has done to the reefs and comments made by you.
I have the legal authority to utilize your written comments here and on your website and to attribute those comments to you and I will do so.

To suggest that industry can quote from whereever they wish but that others cannot do so because they disagree with industry may be how industry works but it is not how democracy works.
Thank you
T


Hello ???
Rideau Hall ??
Can I speak to the Governor General please ?

Yes I would like to discuss the nomination of a person for the Order of Canada.

You need documentation ??

Yes I believe I can supply you with some. Will quotes from a website be sufficient ?

You say letters from his peers huh ??

Umm ... well I think I can get a few letters..

http://www.gg.ca/forms/ocnom_e.html


ROFL :lol: :wink:

That should have been "letters from his peers eh
ROFL :lol: [/b]
 

JennM

Advanced Reefer
Rating - 0%
0   0   0
Eh?

Pass the Molson Ex, will ya? Geez, eh?

STOP THE VOICE IN MY HEAD!!!!

"REEEEFFFFFOOOOERRRRRRMMMMM"

pm_bg2.jpg


(I wonder if Wayne sounds like good ole Preston?)

Jenn
 

John_Brandt

Experienced Reefer
Rating - 0%
0   0   0
toque6.gif



Babelfish Adds Canadian And American To Translation List


THE INTERNET-- The creators of Babelfish, a language tool that translates text from a variety of different languages, have added two more valuable translations to its inventory, Canadian to American and American to Canadian. The new translation tools should help facilitate communication between the citizens of these two linguistically-independent nations.


babel_fish.jpg

Finally Americans and Canadians will be able to communicate with each other, using the power of Babelfish.


Before the implementation of the new language conversion system, Americans and Canadians were constantly misunderstood by their geographic neighbours [neighbors]. Interpreters and translation services provided adequate means of communication, but were mostly limited to government and large businesses because of costs. This communication barrier restricted trade between the two countries and the lack of communication resulted in poor economic relationships, ties which have become even more strained in recent years.

But now, with the addition of the Canadian/American translations, millions of North Americans will be able to exchange ideas, culture, and foreign concepts.

"I like to visit Canadian websites, like Canada.com and Canoe.ca, but until recently I couldn't understand the Canadian language well enough to be able to read the content," said Bob Rae from Ohio, who reads and writes fluently in American. "I could pick out the odd word or phrase that sounded American--enough to guess at the subject matter, and of course I looked at the pictures. Now, I just run the sites through Babelfish, and it translates foreign terms such as 'prime minister', 'free healthcare', and 'lacrosse' into words I can understand."

Although Babelfish is not a perfect tool, the new language options should open up a world of opportunity between the two obstructed nations. Internet users will soon be able to convert e-mails to either language, to the benefit of both the Canucks and the Yanks.

babelfish2.gif


"I moved to the United States earlier this year, and I was struggling with the language eh," said Kevin McCoullough, from Toronto. "I couldn't even buy a Slurpee without pointing, pantomiming, and sounding out American phrases phonetically. Each time I worried about offending the American clerk, and getting short-changed or perhaps even shot. With Babelfish, I can now function within American society, eh. Noo doobt aboot it. [Babelfish translation into American=There is absolutely no question about that.]"

Kelly Frost, a trilingual English professor who speaks fluent American, Canadian, and English, declares that the Babelfish service will definitely improve the understanding between Canada and the United States.

"But y'all know [Babelfish translation into Canadian=You all get it, eh] that it's probably not going to help Americans understand why Canadian football only has three downs," laughed Frost.

The term "Babelfish" originally came from Douglas Adam's Hitchhiker's Guide To The Galaxy. Although it is not known if Mr. Adams ever learned to speak American.

"It won't be long before Canadians and Americans will be able to integrate into each other's society, without the communication difficulties they have now," said Frost. "One day, we may all speak the same language...eh"
 

JennM

Advanced Reefer
Rating - 0%
0   0   0
Hehehe that's actually funny :D

For years I've been saying I speak 4 languages: English (my dad is British), French, Canadian and American.

No need for toques down here, though. No toonies either. I've seen a few loonies about though.

(Babelfish translation: A loonie is a dollar coin - named such because of the image of a Loon on the back of the coin...)

Mmmm poutine......

Jenn
 

kylen

Experienced Reefer
Rating - 0%
0   0   0
I can't believe that you Americans actually have a sense of humour. I'm enjoying this thread now, although there is a definite central/eastern Canadian slant to this.

Hey Jenn, how 'boot a beaver tail???

"said Bob Rae from Ohio" - John Brandt. When did he sneak across the border?
 

mkirda

Advanced Reefer
Rating - 0%
0   0   0
Does having a French-Canadian great grandmother count?

I never realized that 'eh?' was Canadian until I was probably in junior high...
We all used it, and I still do.

But ya'll still say 'eh' a little funny... :D

Regards.
Mike Kirda
 

John_Brandt

Experienced Reefer
Rating - 0%
0   0   0
PeterIMA":pfk4yyt5 said:
You wrongly stated that BFAR being the government agency doing CDT would use it for law enforcement. Actually, BFAR has no law enforcement arm. The law enforcement officials like the Philippine Constabulary, Navy, and municipal officials are upset that IMA chemists are no longer available to help support enforcement of Philippine laws against destructive fishing (including the illegal use of cyanide). They are not satisfied with the present CDT work being conducted by BFAR.

BFAR's Director Malcolm Sarmiento has admitted to me that they don't have sufficient funds to run CDT laboratories. Coming up with another test proceedure will not change that fact.

Peter Rubec

So Peter, back to your accusation that MAC is interested in "greenwashing" Philippine exporters. I may have been technically inaccurate when I stated that BFAR would enforce cyanide laws. But that is of little consequence in the big picture. So, BFAR acts as a detective agency and other Philippine law branches would do the actual enforcement. Given that any CDT would be administered by BFAR, and that enforcement would be carried out by another government agency - who exactly does the "greenwashing"?

What in the world does MAC have to do with the Philippine government carrying out its own laws and punishments?
 

PeterIMA

Advanced Reefer
Rating - 0%
0   0   0
John, What business is it of the MAC to be telling BFAR how to do cyanide testing? Don't you think the MAC has done enough damage already?

Peter Rubec
 

John_Brandt

Experienced Reefer
Rating - 0%
0   0   0
PeterIMA":1j5mla95 said:
John, What business is it of the MAC to be telling BFAR how to do cyanide testing? Don't you think the MAC has done enough damage already?

Peter Rubec

Peter, what in the world are you talking about?

A project was recently initiated where Merck is working directly with BFAR to develop a reliable CDT methodology. One of the candidate methodologies it the ISE-IMA-CDT that you are so concerned was "eliminated" by MAC.

MAC is not "telling BFAR how to do cyanide testing", but quite possibly Merck will be. Why can't you understand that simple concept, Peter?
 

mkirda

Advanced Reefer
Rating - 0%
0   0   0
John_Brandt":15a7jxer said:
A project was recently initiated where Merck is working directly with BFAR to develop a reliable CDT methodology. One of the candidate methodologies it the ISE-IMA-CDT that you are so concerned was "eliminated" by MAC.

John,

Can you explain the rationale behind this?
Wouldn't Merck be interested to see if any method they came up with was as reliable, or more, or less, than the currently used ISE methodology?

The way you word this makes it seem like the MAC cares less about accuracy and reliability than it does with making IMA and anything having to do with IMA look bad... Including the ISE test.

Regards.
Mike Kirda
 

John_Brandt

Experienced Reefer
Rating - 0%
0   0   0
mkirda":1n23hdtj said:
John_Brandt":1n23hdtj said:
A project was recently initiated where Merck is working directly with BFAR to develop a reliable CDT methodology. One of the candidate methodologies it the ISE-IMA-CDT that you are so concerned was "eliminated" by MAC.

John,

Can you explain the rationale behind this?
Wouldn't Merck be interested to see if any method they came up with was as reliable, or more, or less, than the currently used ISE methodology?

The way you word this makes it seem like the MAC cares less about accuracy and reliability than it does with making IMA and anything having to do with IMA look bad... Including the ISE test.

Regards.
Mike Kirda

Mike,

The point of the project is to have Merck test, and then suggest to BFAR to administer whatever test proves to be most accurate and reliable. The "current" ISE CDT is one of the candidates (as I have mentioned numerous times here). I would presume that if the "current" ISE CDT test turns out to be the most accurate and reliable according to Merck, then that test will be recommended by Merck to be used (or continue to be used) by BFAR.

MAC is interested in having BFAR administer the most accurate and reliable CDT as approved by Merck regardless of what CDT it is.
 

Sponsor Reefs

We're a FREE website, and we exist because of hobbyists like YOU who help us run this community.

Click here to sponsor $10:


Top