But I don't hang a sign, you don't support aquaculture, yet practice it, and have rules to prevent me from supporting you.
I support aquaculture. In fact, I do some myself and will be doing more in the months to come. Just because I don't allow you to buy from me doesn't mean I don't support aquaculture.
He says stop collecting. Many, many of us say stop collecting.
In addition to zero/negative impact on the reefs, there are other serious implications of banning collection. They have been discussed elsewhere in this forum and I don't want the thread to get off of topic anymore.
Then why bother? Why put the reef through the stress if not for money and enjoyment? As a business, why do something if not to make a profit? Wasn't the reason you didn't buy the five baby triggers because you couldn't make enough money on them?
Because I have this weird condition that makes me actually care about the collectors and exporters who are dedicated to industry reform. Crazy me seems to think that if we start supporting them, then others will follow. Again, it's where that whole fool syndrome comes in... It was the five baby clown triggers that served as the final straw so to speak. Making me realize that I can't save the world, not even a tiny portion of it, unless others care enough to dedicate themselves to the cause as well. And you know what? There are just too few who do care enough to dedicate themselves to creating true reform.
If you refuse to buy fish from "unreliable sources" whats preventing them from becoming reliable?
Seriously Glenn, have you missed the discussions of the past several months?? What is preventing them from becoming reliable?? Well, for one thing there aren't enough net caught fish available. For another,
they don't care!! Why change what they're doing when doing it this way has made them money for the past 30+ years??
Simply allowing a facility to carry both MAC Certified and non-MAC Certified animals isn't even close to telling someone they can go ahead and mix fish.
I find it humorous, John, that your only thoughts on this subject are to defend MAC...
When I and others say mixing fishes, we mean carrying cyanide caught and net caught in the same facility- all under the good old MAC banner and with their full knowledge. Does some mixing in the way of substituting a non-certified fish for a MAC certified one happen because of mortality? I would bet you a buck that it does. But that's not even what I'm talking about. So now I can add liar to the list of other names you've called me- long list at this point!
No Mike, MAC doesn't make any claims about non-MAC Certified fish. It can't, as it has no control of them. My point was that MAC has never told any MAC Certified exporter that they could mix fish. That is just a very scary malicious lie. The reform movement doesn't need any boneheads telling bullcrap stories about MAC Staff.
Ah! Now I can add bonehead to the list!! Can someone lend me a pen? I'm running out of ink... :roll: John, you don't see it as odd that a facility can be MAC Certified, but that they don't have to change their business practices? They don't have to strive to carry net caught fish. They don't have to treat the collectors better. They just have to have the ability to shuffle paperwork and wa-la they're MAC certified, which in the general public's mind is a stamp of net-caught, reef saving approval. Anyway, if you want to discuss this, please start another thread. It's not the point of this one.
So back to the topic. We've determined that Rover's answer is incorrect (no fault to him, he didn't know). So does anyone else have an answer?? Convince me why I should strive to be 100% net caught.
I intend no offense, only my honesty to add to your blender.
